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Takeiteasynow wrote:
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yeah just like the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact from 1939.
Israelis are not stupid. They know very well whom they are dealing with. In Hebrew we say כבדהו וחשדהו (respect & be suspicious).

The silver lining is, their new generation leaders - most of whom are western educated, fluent in English & more familiar with West's ways of life. Most seem to be far more moderate with wider views of the world than their older generation . They realize that the real threat to their countries & states is not from Israel or Jews - rather from their own backyard - the Muslim Brotherhood, the Shiites Mullahs in Iran as well other fringe & extreme factions of Islam.

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How would Muslims on Mars pray towards Mecca the relative position of which would be constantly changing with the orbit and rotation of earth and Mars? Where would they put the qiblah in their mosques?

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antineoETC wrote:
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How would Muslims on Mars pray towards Mecca the relative position of which would be constantly changing with the orbit and rotation of earth and Mars? Where would they put the qiblah in their mosques?
A very good question indeed. :lighten:
No worry though. Soon we will witness a Muslim "expert" in Astronomy will claim that - the Quran itself provides the precise guidance which side or how to pray "properly" (alas mughal) from the Mars or any other star for that matter.

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How would Muslims on Mars pray towards Mecca the relative position of which would be constantly changing with the orbit and rotation of earth and Mars? Where would they put the qiblah in their mosques?
All the universe (Planets, Sun, Moon, Stars, BlackHole, etc,etc.) faces Baitul Makmur as Qibla where the Qibla is the same as on Earth (Mecca). And for Muslims in other parts of the planet (Mars) or galaxies they can point their faces in that direction [in prayer] to the Earth where the Qibla is located or Baitul Makmur if they know where it is.

For me, I can face any directions becuase the true Qibla is within us. :coffee:
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SAM wrote:All the universe (Planets, Sun, Moon, Stars, BlackHole, etc,etc.) faces Baitul Makmur as Qibla where the Qibla is the same as on Earth (Mecca). And for Muslims in other parts of the planet (Mars) or galaxies they can point their faces in that direction [in prayer] to the Earth where the Qibla is located or Baitul Makmur if they know where it is.
I put it to you that if the Muslim is on the side of Mars facing away from the earth it is impossible for them to face the earth in even the most tenuous sense. Perhaps if the Muslim is located where the earth is visible they could construct some kind of rotating prayer platform that keeps the prostrating Muslim's crown pointing towards the earth as the planets rotate and move in their orbits.
For me, I can face any directions becuase the true Qibla is within us. :coffee:
You must be some kind of Sufi.

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Having said that I think that the only place on Mars where a Muslim could prostrate so the top of his head could conceivably point towards the earth would be at or near the poles.

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Perhaps finding the solution to this conundrum -maybe utilizing higher dimension geometry - will lead to a new golden age in Islamic mathematics.

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A Muslim would try to reinterpret these things as they go on . Also Muslims are asked not to face their back sides against Kaaba while in toilet. how do they do that in a public toilet? Farting in the direction of Kaaba is halal if you don't own your toilet. :D
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antineoETC wrote:
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I put it to you that if the Muslim is on the side of Mars facing away from the earth it is impossible for them to face the earth in even the most tenuous sense. Perhaps if the Muslim is located where the earth is visible they could construct some kind of rotating prayer platform that keeps the prostrating Muslim's crown pointing towards the earth as the planets rotate and move in their orbits.
1400 years ago before the discovery of the compass, Muslims used nature namely the Sun, Moon, Stars, Shadows etc. for Qibla.

Now planes, ships, satellites, travelers and even spacecraft have used compasses for navigation and their respective destinations. And so do Muslims use it for the Qibla. Do you think that Muslims in outer space do not have compasses pointing towards Earth.

One more thing, what makes you believe that humans will live in outer space like Mars. Do you think humans want a short path to Heaven without dying.

Keep in your mind, the Earth is the cause of the creation of the whole universe, not the other way around.
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SAM. the compass was invented in China long before Islam. And navigating by the stars certainly was used by early Muslims, and there are significant contributions made by them, such the star tables, but it certainly was not a Muslim inventions. It have been around long before that. Caravans found their way through an ever changing desert by travelling in the cool of night using celestial bodies as guides. It is not a co-incidence that the moon god was important to Arabs.

Now, the compass works by using the magnetic field of the earth. Obviously therefore a compass does not work in outer space. You certainly cannot have a compass "pointing to earth" as you suggest. In fact Mars does not have a magnetic field so no compass could work there, even to tell you where north is.
One more thing, what makes you believe that humans will live in outer space like Mars. Do you think humans want a short path to Heaven without dying.
Do you mean that Mars is part of heaven?
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Now, the compass works by using the magnetic field of the earth. Obviously therefore a compass does not work in outer space. You certainly cannot have a compass "pointing to earth" as you suggest. In fact Mars does not have a magnetic field so no compass could work there, even to tell you where north is.
tell me how a spaceship travelling into galaxy and back to Earth without a navigation compass...
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We do not have the technology to travel to other galaxies. We can only travel short distances in space. How does it work? It involves mathematical calculations based to charts and carefully timed journeys. Have a look at how "Voyager" hot around the planetary system, you will find it interesting. No compasses are used. However, you can, to a degree monitor and control a space craft from earth.
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We do not have the technology to travel to other galaxies. We can only travel short distances in space. How does it work? It involves mathematical calculations based to charts and carefully timed journeys. Have a look at how "Voyager" hot around the planetary system, you will find it interesting. No compasses are used. However, you can, to a degree monitor and control a space craft from earth.
Don't be too stupid every planet like Sun, Moon, Star has its own gravity which is related to magnetism

If not, all the planets would fly crashing between each other.
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A spacecraft navigates using a 3d map using stars as fixed points. It measures the distances to these points with red and blue shift. Any decrease or increase in wavelength is used to calculate the distance between the spacecraft and a multiple fixed points* - leading to a new galactic position.

* Everything in space moves so each calculation is calibrated with the relative movement, over a specific period of time, of the 'fixed point'.
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Oh dear, dear SAM, I detect some serious gaps in your knowledge of basic science... Muslim science teacher perhaps?

First, the sun the moon and the stars are not planets. Then, gravity is not directly related to magnetism. How does a heavenly body get magnetic field? If the inside of it is liquid and the thing is rotating, then the inside sloshes around, and acts rather like a dynamo. That is why the earth has a magnetic field. The inside is liquid. The magnetic field is orientating a compass needle to magnetic north and south OF THE EARTH. This only works on earth, or other bodies with a similar liquid inside.
The moon has cooled down and is solid. No magnetic field. (but you can find some magnetic rocks, so once upon a time the inside of the moon was liquid.)
The same applies to Mars.

A compass is useless in navigating between the earth and the moon or the earth and Mars.If you were on Mars, and you wanted to locate the direction earth you would need star charts, or an astronomical almanac unless you can see earth in the sky, which you can some of the time, but you would still need to know where to look.

Next why do planets not crash into one another. The short answer is that they have done that, for billions of years, and eventually, we ended up with a group of planets far enough apart because all the other have been gobbled up in collisions. There is a belt of left overs from the collisions between Mars and Jupiter....
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manfred wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:20 am
Oh dear, dear SAM, I detect some serious gaps in your knowledge of basic science... Muslim science teacher perhaps?

First, the sun the moon and the stars are not planets. Then, gravity is not directly related to magnetism. How does a heavenly body get magnetic field? If the inside of it is liquid and the thing is rotating, then the inside sloshes around, and acts rather like a dynamo. That is why the earth has a magnetic field. The inside is liquid. The magnetic field is orientating a compass needle to magnetic north and south OF THE EARTH. This only works on earth, or other bodies with a similar liquid inside.
The moon has cooled down and is solid. No magnetic field. (but you can find some magnetic rocks, so once upon a time the inside of the moon was liquid.)
The same applies to Mars.

A compass is useless in navigating between the earth and the moon or the earth and Mars.If you were on Mars, and you wanted to locate the direction earth you would need star charts, or an astronomical almanac unless you can see earth in the sky, which you can some of the time, but you would still need to know where to look.

Next why do planets not crash into one another. The short answer is that they have done that, for billions of years, and eventually, we ended up with a group of planets far enough apart because all the other have been gobbled up in collisions. There is a belt of left overs from the collisions between Mars and Jupiter....
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That the stars, the sun and and the moon are planets? SAM, you are making Muslims look bad...
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Muslims invented the Universe 13.7 billion tears ago.
But who invented the kafirun? And why?
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Muslims do not need kafir theory because they have their own knowledge based on the Quran.
says the Mohammedan who writes the reply using kafir technology. :D
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Centaur wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:07 pm
Muslims do not need kafir theory because they have their own knowledge based on the Quran.
says the Mohammedan who writes the reply using kafir technology. :D
Kafir technology was stolen from other nations. F*cking white people have nothing except robbing and plunder the wealth of other countries. Even foods, spices, gold. diamonds, oil and many more etc. were taken from other nations. :yuk:
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