Who are the Palestinians?

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Bob wrote:1) When was Palestine created? ...
You could start with the wikipedia article on Palestine.

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Bob wrote:The more I read about the Palestinians the more confused I get about who they are, or were. In any case, could anyone answer these simple questions please?

1) When was Palestine created?
2) What was its capital?
3) Where were its borders?
4) Did any country have diplomatic relations (e.g. an Embassy) in Palestine?
5) Did Palestine have an Embassy in any foreign country?
6) What type of government did Palestine have?
7) Can anyone name a Palestinian 'head of state' before Arafat?
8) What was the name of the Palestinian currency?
9) Can anyone name a Palestinian work of literature of any sort produced before 1948?
10) Since the Palestinian nation does not really exist now what caused the Palestinian nation to disappear in the first place?
Your statements are baseless. For example, when did Pakistanis came into being?

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StrongLove wrote:The Jews aren't going to leave Israel voluntarily.
That is quite true. Most Palestinians don't object to a state of Israel, except for the Hamas types. The unsettled feud has come down to who gets Jerusalem. That is the only thing left to resolve. The settlements got to go.

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Yohan wrote:The settlements got to go.
You're an idiot, no one expects the settlements to go.

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Yohan wrote:
StrongLove wrote:The Jews aren't going to leave Israel voluntarily.
That is quite true. Most Palestinians don't object to a state of Israel, except for the Hamas types. The unsettled feud has come down to who gets Jerusalem. That is the only thing left to resolve. The settlements got to go.

But Jerusalem is the capital. It's always been the capital. The Jews should have taken over or dismantled all the mosques soon after they seized control & thrown out all the muslims.

I think we already know about Jerusalem. Jerusalem is Jewish or it's a smouldering crater. Either way the muslims will never have it again.
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Why would the Arabs care about Jerusalem? I thought the center of the world got relocated to Mecca by Muhammad. Why the interest in Jerusalem and the Temple Mount in particular? When God promised the Ishmaelites one nation, I don't think he was really referring to Israel or it would be named Ishmael instead of Israel. The Arabs simply can't restrain themselves from rebelling against God. They think they should be the Jews instead of the Jews, which I guess they want to be the Ishmaelites. Arabs just can't get it through their heads that they aren't the Jews, much as they wish with all their hearts that they were. Here they are in the Dome of the Rock; "oh look at us, we're totally Jews now, hehehe, we aren't just a bunch of nobody Arab camel herders anymore, we are the illustrious Jews now". Pathetic really.

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Yohan wrote:
Bob wrote:The more I read about the Palestinians the more confused I get about who they are, or were. In any case, could anyone answer these simple questions please?

1) When was Palestine created?
2) What was its capital?
3) Where were its borders?
4) Did any country have diplomatic relations (e.g. an Embassy) in Palestine?
5) Did Palestine have an Embassy in any foreign country?
6) What type of government did Palestine have?
7) Can anyone name a Palestinian 'head of state' before Arafat?
8) What was the name of the Palestinian currency?
9) Can anyone name a Palestinian work of literature of any sort produced before 1948?
10) Since the Palestinian nation does not really exist now what caused the Palestinian nation to disappear in the first place?
Your statements are baseless. For example, when did Pakistanis came into being?
Excellent example, thank you Yohan. Pakistanis qua Pakistanis came into being in 1947. Before that, there were no Pakistanis who are simply the descendents of Indians, most of whom were forced to convert to Islam. Pakistan is another non-nation like Palestine or Nigeria.

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I'm sorry to intrude in this discussion...but didn't the Jews BUY the land of the "Palestinians" to form their state?

Was it not the JEWS who were attacked in the Six Day War and in the Yom Kippur War and in practically every war they had?

And isn't it the JEWS today that face the threats of ANNIHILATION in the Middle East?

I don't see them threatening anyone else with the same?

The Palestinians are having a tough time...but they joined their Arab Muslim brothers in the blood frenzy when it suited them...only to be defeated. Badly.

Now...their Arab brothers who used them...have no place for them...baloney!

They are being used, AS A PEOPLE...as the Arab instrument against their Quranically inspired enemies...the State of the Jews...Israel.

So...though I sympathise with the Palestinians and their suffering...I blame the ARAB NATIONS!

Absorb them...you used them (still do)...now take them!

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Do you think that Arab nations that are so damn rich from OIl...cannot do anything for their Palestinian brethren?

They actively refuse to accept them. So that they are pushed back into the fray.

No...they are kept as the leading edge of the dagger that Muslims want to drive against Jews and Israel.

They are kept in suffering as an instrument of pan-Arabism and Islam.

Who is to blame?

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The "Palestinian People" did not exist prior to the 1967 war. There was no mention of them at all.
I should know, I lived there for 10 years prior to the 6 day war.
They were just plain Jordanian, Syrian, Egyptian etc. Arabs.

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The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.
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pr126 wrote:The "Palestinian People" did not exist prior to the 1967 war. There was no mention of them at all.
I should know, I lived there for 10 years prior to the 6 day war.
They were just plain Jordanian, Syrian, Egyptian etc. Arabs.
People in that part of the world call themselves arabs, whether they are really Egyptians, sudanese, lebanese, syrians, and so on. Even the Christians there call themselves arabs. But technically they are not arabs, but adopted the term after being arabised mostly due to to Islamization. These people are just descendants of the native people there with some mixing.

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However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.
As an outsider to this argument...I can tell you...that moment will never come...keep dreaming...

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People in that part of the world call themselves arabs, whether they are really Egyptians, sudanese, lebanese, syrians, and so on. Even the Christians there call themselves arabs. But technically they are not arabs, but adopted the term after being arabised mostly due to to Islamization. These people are just descendants of the native people there with some mixing.
So essentially there was a continuity and homogeneity of culture there...people were really inseparable on such a basis...

So...it would appear that "Palestinian" nationhood is of very recent vintage...one really must ask why?

By design...by their Arab family.

Thus...who is to blame?

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Finally, the 1936-1939 Arab revolt in Palestine led the British to create the Peel Commission, which produced the first concrete suggestion for a Arab state. The Commission's report published in 1937 called for a small Jewish state in the Galilee and maritime strip, a British enclave stretching from Jerusalem to Yafo and an Arab state covering the rest.[7] The plan also called for a large population transfer. Jewish leaders accepted the plan, while Arab leaders rejected it and the two subsequent proposals offered by the Peel Commission.
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Should have taken the offer, and then not attacked anybody. If they had done those two simple things Israel would be nothing more than the Galilee area, everything above that little hook on the coast, Arabs would have had everything else except the Jerusalem to Yafo region which would be British. They would have possessed more of Israel than the Jews. Wasn't good enough for them, they wanted the Jews to have ALL of Israel and Allah made them take a path that would result in that. Now the Jews have all of Israel except the Temple Mount, which is just a rock anyway. That particular rock has a lot of pagan baggage associated with it. The force of those pagan gods is still present in that rock. Those gods were far more powerful than YHWH so they allowed the pagan Arabs to take possession of it. That's how the gods of the Canaanites got back at the Jews. So actually for the best that the Jews aren't on that pagan ground. See how things always turn out for the best?

Here's an interesting thing, the West Bank was formerly under Jordanian control before the 1967 war. So the "Palestinians" there are really "Jordanians". The Arabs who were displaced from their homes and ran to Nablus were running to Jordan. They just didn't know that Jordan had shrunk some in the 67 war so they didn't run far enough. Whose fault is it that they stopped in Nablus? They ran TO Israel, which Nablus had become a part of by Islamic custom of military conquest equaling rightful ownership. What do they now complain about? Nablus would have been part of Palestine if they had taken the offer. The Arabs refusing the offer is what ended up with Nablus being part of Israel. So instead of cursing Israel for following Islamic conquest practices they should curse their own ancestors and brethren for deciding not to accept Nablus as part of the Palestinian state. They didn't want it then, why do they want it now? Nobody wanted that area before the Jews claimed it. Now the Arabs are acting like it's the promised land or something. Same crappy place.

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The Jews that are now currently in Israel are not semetic Jews, the semetic Jews is Israel only consist around 10% of the population. The non semetic Jews have no connection at all in that region. The Jews mainly came from all over Europe who are originalily decendants of the Khazar empire. Muslims, Christians and semetic Jews lived side by side peacefully for hundreds of years in Palastine/Israel until the European non semetic Jews arrived and kicked the inhabitants out of their homes and stole the land which is still on going today.

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TruthSeeker1433 wrote:The Jews that are now currently in Israel are not semetic Jews, the semetic Jews is Israel only consist around 10% of the population. The non semetic Jews have no connection at all in that region. The Jews mainly came from all over Europe who are originalily decendants of the Khazar empire. Muslims, Christians and semetic Jews lived side by side peacefully for hundreds of years in Palastine/Israel until the European non semetic Jews arrived and kicked the inhabitants out of their homes and stole the land which is still on going today.

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Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries
The Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries (Hebrew: יציאת יהודים ממדינות ערב‎, Yetziat yehudim mi-medinot Arav; Arabic: هجرة اليهود من الأراضي العربية‎ Hijrat al-Yahud min al-arad' al-Arabiya) was a mass departure, flight and expulsion of Jews, primarily of Sephardi and Mizrahi background, from Arab and Muslim countries, from 1948 until the early 1970s. Though Jewish migration from Middle Eastern and North African communities began in the late 19th century, and Jews began fleeing some Arab countries in the 1930s and early 1940s, it did not become significant until the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

From 1948 until the early 1970s, 800,000–1,000,000 Jews left, fled, or were expelled from their homes in Arab countries; 260,000 of them reached Israel between 1948 and 1951; and 600,000 by 1972.[1][2][3] Lebanon was the only Arab country to see an increase in its Jewish population after 1948, which was due to an influx of refugees from other Arab countries.[4] However, by the 1970s the Jewish community of Lebanon too dwindled due to hostilities of the Lebanese Civil War. By 2002 Jews from Arab countries and their descendants constituted almost half of Israel's population.[3]

The reasons for the exodus included push factors such as persecution, antisemitism, political instability and expulsion, together with pull factors, such as the desire to fulfill Zionist yearnings or find a better economic and secure home in Europe or the Americas. A significant proportion of Jews left due to political insecurity and the rise of Arab nationalism, and later also due to policies of some Arab governments who sought to present the expulsion of Jews as a crowd-driven retaliatory act for the exodus of Arab refugees from Palestine.[5] Most Libyan Jews fled to Israel by 1951, while the citizenship of the rest was revoked in 1961, and the community remnants were finally evacuated to Italy following the Six Day War. Almost all of Yemeni and Adeni Jews, were evacuated during 1949–1950 in fear of their security. Iraqi and Kurdish Jews were encouraged to leave in 1950 by the Iraqi Government, which had eventually ordered in 1951 "the expulsion of Jews who refused to sign a statement of anti-Zionism".[6] The Jews of Egypt began fleeing the country in 1948,[7] and most of the remaining, some 21,000, were expelled in 1956.[8] The Jews of Algeria were deprived of their citizenship in 1962 and had mostly immediately left the country for France and Israel. Moroccan Jews began leaving for Israel, as a result of the 1948 pogroms, with most of the community leaving in 1960s. Many Jews were required to sell, abandon, or smuggle their property out of the countries they were fleeing.[9][10][11]

An additional 200,000 Jews from non-Arab Muslim countries left their homes due to increasing insecurity and growing hostility since 1948. Many Iranian and Kurdish Jews fled Iran and abandoned their property in fear, that they would remain hostages of a hostile regime.When combined all together, as much as 37% of Jews in Islamic countries—the Arab world, Turkey, Iran and Afghanistan, left for Israel between May 1948 and the beginning of 1952. They amounted for 56% of the total immigration to the newly founded State of Israel.[12] The exodus of Iranian Jews peaked following the 1979 Islamic Revolution, when around 80% of Iranian Jews left the war-torn country for US and Israel. Turkish Jewry had mostly immigrated due to economic reasons and Zionist aspirations, but since the 1990s increasing terrorist attacks against Jews caused security concerns, with the result that many Jews left for Israel.
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1st of all i do not accept anything from wiki to be fact, anyone can go on the site and disort the facts, this is why in my college lessons we are disallowed to give reference from sites like Wikipedia.

Jews being expelled from thier home's i think to a large extent has been exaggerated. Jews from America wasnt expelled was they? After the fall of Nazism was the Jews expelled from their home's in Europe? In Iran the Jews live in peace and co-exist happily with their Iranian brothers, they have good treatment under the Islamic government of Iran. Look at the history of Europe and most place's else where and you would see the Jew's have lived more happily under the Islamic government then anywhere.

When Israel backed a plan to pay Iranian Jewish families $60,000 to settle in Israel, Society of Iranian Jews met the announcement with scorn, issuing this statement: "The identity of Iranian Jews is not tradable for any amount of money. Iranian Jews are among the most ancient Iranians. Iran's Jews love their Iranian identity and their culture, so threats and this immature political enticement will not achieve their aim of wiping out the identity of Iranian Jews."

Vast majority of Jews around the world have left on their own accord to live in a Jewish state, they have not been expelled, this is mere propaganda.

Iran and the Muslim world are not against Jew's, they are against Zionists and so are authentic Jew's around the world. Don't be a gentile :wink:


Ahmadinejad Meeting peaceful authentic Jewish Rabbi's

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Documentary of Jew's living in Iran

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Anti Zionist rally in Israel, Jews burning Israeli flags
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The Arabs and Muslims have like 57 countries. The Jews have one.

If one believes Muslims follow the Quran and land for peace or other plans to work with the Palestinians will end in failor. The Muslims, per the Quran. Will not be happy until the Jews are gone. If you believe the Quran no deals for peace will work. The Jews deserve a home land. The palastians have 57 counties to choose from.

Thank god the Jews in power over there no you can't make deals with the Muslims. The Muslims can't be trusted. You can't make deals with them because their religion tells them to lie and break deals they make. The lieing thing is one more way we can see what Islam really is, a gutter religion.
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Islam: an idea to kill and die for.

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Pat telling the truth again.
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