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pr126 wrote:
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How many French knows about the battle of Tours? What school would be teaching that today?
If they were, it would (in French) be something like:

In the year 114AH a group of Muslim tourists, who had crossed the Pyrenees from multi-cultural al-Andalus to visit Tours, was leaving the city carrying their souvenirs when they were set upon by notorious far-right Islamophobe Charles Martel and cruelly slain.
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Although the fact that the two suspects were illegal migrants was reported in smaller French print outlets, many television news outlets kept that fact quiet
Two illegal migrants arrested for stabbing 20-year-old to death in Lyon, but French media keeps quiet on their foreign background

Two illegal migrants were arrested on suspicion of stabbing a man in his twenties to death in the Stade de Gerland metro station, French Le Progrès online daily reported, but larger television news outlets have kept quiet on their foreign backgrounds.

The tragedy occurred on Sunday, 15 minutes after midnight at the Stade de Gerland metro station in the 7th arrondissement of Lyon.

The young man in his twenties was assaulted by two individuals who stabbed him in the chest and hit him with broken bottles. Despite two witnesses of the incident trying to resuscitate him on the spot, the victim died.

Police officers then arrested the two drunk suspected assailants near the crime scene. They are both foreigners, one is 30 years old, and the other one is in his twenties. They were in possession of a bloodstained knife with a partially broken blade. A part of the blade was found in the victim's body.

Following television news reports of the deaths, one user on Twitter wrote, "In Lyon, a 20-year-old young man was stabbed to death in the metro. The police arrested the 2 attackers but "curiously" some information is not provided. Should we avoid telling the French that this young man was killed by illegal immigrants?"

The same user pointed to another televized news story from France 3 that also left out the foreign background of the attackers:

"France 3 discusses the murder in the Lyon metro:
  • The age of the victim
    The weapons used
    Witnesses
    The age and intoxicated state of the aggressors
    "'Surprisingly', important information is missing... The men are migrants!"
Authorities have already opened an investigation for intentional homicide. The Departmental Directorate for Public Security (DDSP) will handle the case.

Fanny Dubot, the mayor of the 7th arrondissement of Lyon, stated on Twitter that she was "horrified" by the murder.

"This violence is unacceptable, I trust the police to shed light on this tragedy," she wrote.

Étienne Blanc, the former right-wing candidate for mayor of Lyon, also reacted to the incident, criticized the security situation in the city.

"They will tell us again that there is no security problem in Lyon and that there is no shortage of staff police,” he wrote on Twitter.

Lyon was also recently the scene of the recent death of 23-year-old Axelle Dorier, who was killed in a hit-and-run involving two migrants. She was dragged nearly 800 meters to her death in a case that shocked the French nation.

In May, 12 "youths" set up an elaborate ambush for a police officer, brutally beating him so badly that he was forced into the intensive car unit of the hospital for eight days, and suffered from broken teeth, head trauma, and severe lacerations.
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France: One suspect surrenders in brutal shooting and beating of two police officers in Paris, two men still on the run

One suspect has reportedly surrendered himself to police after he and two other individuals allegedly shot two officers

One 28-year-old suspect has reportedly surrendered himself to police Friday morning after he and two other unknown suspects were involved in shooting and seriously injuring two police officers in the Herblay district in the suburbs of Paris.

It is unclear what role the man who surrendered to the police may have played in the shooting of the two officers, but the other two suspects remain on the run. The men involved in the shooting of the officers have been described as an African male, another man of mixed race appearance with curly hair, and the last one described as North African with a shaved head, according to a police source speaking with French newspaper Valeurs.

The shooting of the 45-year-old male officer and another 30-year-old male officer, which occurred on Wednesday evening, happened while the officers were checking on an address in the Cergy-Pontoise neighborhood of the DRPJ in Versailles as a part of an investigation.

The condition of the younger of the two officers is more severe.

According to the statement of one of the two victims, the three perpetrators thought that the police officers in civilian clothes belong to Roma. After the officers denied the accusation, the attackers pulled the policemen out of their car and beat them up. During the fight, the perpetrators stole the service weapons of the officers and shot at them several times.

When emergency services arrived at the scene of the attack, the medics observed that that one of the officers suffered head trauma and found two bullet holes in the knee and thigh. He was then transported to the Pontoise hospital center with his life-threatening injuries. The second officer was unconscious after being struck by four bullets in the abdomen, knee, and both thighs. He also suffered from a fractured skull and was transported to Beaujon hospital in Clichy.

On top of the service weapons, the wanted individuals also stole a radio transmitter, a secure phone reserved for law enforcement with protected communications, a mobile phone, and damaged the police vehicle. At the scene of the crime, seven cartridge cases and a 9mm caliber cartridge were found.

The suspect in custody told police that he and the other two men were highly intoxicated when they believed that the officers were actually Roma people posing as officers.

Minister of the Interior Gerald Darmanin went to Cergy-Pontoise to provide support to the colleagues and families of the victims. He called the attack on the two policemen a "massacre," adding that the clear intention of the perpetrators was to kill them.

Prime Minister Jean Castex condemned the attack, saying it was an act of "cowardly individuals" and that the attack on police officers was also an "attack on the republic."

The Pontoise public prosecutor's office has already opened an investigation for the attempted murder of people with public authority.

On Thursday morning, relevant services received a photo of at least one of the three wanted men.
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France is losing its battle against Islam and Macron can't change that

Only French Muslims will decide what they will believe in, and how they will behave whether French elites like it or not, writes Czech columnist Lukáš Lhoťan

Recent events in France show that the country is losing its battle with Islamism and non-European social culture, with the development of the situation proves opponents of mass migration and Islam to be right.

The attempted attack on the Charlie Hebdo magazine office, French President Macron's speech on the war against Islamic separatism, but also reports from French prisons show that France is probably already undergoing irreversible change.

Yet, it seems that France's current ruling elite still does not want to face reality.

In his recent speech, French President Emmanuel Macron said he wanted to "liberate French Islam from foreign influences."

However, Macron made a similar statement in 2018, and not much has changed for the better since then. People around Macron talk about the need to finance Islamic institutions from the French state, the need to educate Muslim imams in France, and the need to tell them what French Islam should look like so they can spread this "right" kind of Islam.

However, this whole vision of the French government is absurd. We, the inhabitants of the former communist countries, have very vivid historical experiences with the state's effort to impose its idea of religion on believers. And that is why we know it definitely will not work.

Communist dictatorships had absolute freedom in their anti-religious actions and were able to employ brutal physical methods to try and stamp it out. Nevertheless, they were unable to impose their idea of religion on Christians. So how does a state, whose police are often afraid to enter predominantly Muslim immigrant neighborhoods, want to do accomplish what looks to be the impossible?

France has the most Muslims of any European country, with nearly 6 million calling the country home.
On the contrary, we should learn from the situation in the former USSR, where from 1917 to 1991, there was a continuous atheistic campaign waged against Christianity. Despite more than 70 years-long atheistic propaganda and the fight against religion in the USSR, it all ended with communism and atheism being cast to the fringes of society, and the Orthodox Church enjoying more and more support from the current Russian elite.

I am convinced that something similar will happen in France. A glimpse in the future of France is perhaps best outlined in the novel "Submission" by the famed French writer Michel Houellebecq, who describes an Islamized France ruled by the Muslim Brotherhood.

Mass migration is changing France
Many years ago, another French writer and thinker, Renaud Camus, warned against the transformation of France's population due to mass migration. At that time, he was accused of spreading conspiracies for using the term "Great Replacement." But as he emphasizes, the phrase is not a conspiracy, but a real social phenomenon of French society facing demographic replacement, which can be measured statistically.

All this is evidence of the French society going through social processes that are irreversible and shape the emergence of a new society with elements of the original old French culture and elements of the culture brought by its new residents.

Only the future will show which aspects of the new society will prevail.

Personally, however, I would add that this is not the "end of history." The whole history of mankind is based on the mixing of cultures and the extinction of weaker societies, which are replaced by stronger ones. What matters are the processes and the result of creating a new society. Sometimes, the new society is enriched by the ideas and traditions of the old extinct society as the pagan Roman Empire, or the Greek states influenced our Christian society. Other times, the old societies disappear and are forgotten like the Hittite Empire.

And this is where I am very concerned, as the history of the spread of Islam shows that Muslim societies are not very tolerant of preserving the pre-Islamic past. On the contrary, they usually destroy it and consider it worthless. It was only under the influence of the European Enlightenment that some Muslims changed this prevailing attitude and started to show interest in the pre-Islamic past. But will this be the case for Muslims in Europe in the future?

To sum this up, the absurd notion of French President Macron and the French elites that somehow they could persuade French Muslims what they should believe in and how they should behave is a great mistake. A few decades ago, the politicians who allowed the mass migration of Muslims to France decided what France would look like one day, however, only French Muslims will decide what they will believe in, and how they will behave, whether French elites like it or not.
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On the contrary, we should learn from the situation in the former USSR, where from 1917 to 1991, there was a continuous atheistic campaign waged against Christianity. Despite more than 70 years-long atheistic propaganda and the fight against religion in the USSR, it all ended with communism and atheism being cast to the fringes of society, and the Orthodox Church enjoying more and more support from the current Russian elite.
That's right, Islam has been much more successful in doing away with Christianity in formerly predominantly Christian lands than communism. In lands historically conquered by Muslim armies, from the level of the Muslim rulers to to that of the street, Islam waged a relentless multi-faceted low-level war of attrition against its subject dhimmi populations punctuated by pogroms and mass forced conversions which over time resulted in large christian populations being reduced to a cowed, furtive minority constantly walking on eggs. In lands where outright military conquest is not presently an option the ummah has identified weaknesses in its target countries, like France, and expertly exploited them. One of these weaknesses is European post-colonial guilt which in the case of Islam is totally inappropriate, but has resulted in large Muslim populations being allowed to establish themselves in the west in an act of misplaced atonement. This folly has been facilitated by an erroneous view of historical relations between Europe and the Dar al-Islam as one long episode of one-way unprovoked aggression by the former against the latter, beginning with the Crusades. Westerners understanding of history has been further distorted by their historians' longstanding idealisation of historical Islamic societies, especially Islamic Spain, as bastions of enlightenment and tolerance (and in modern parlance "multiculturalism") and corresponding denigration of their European Christian contemporaries as swamps of ignorance, barbarism and "darkness".

Western progressives' egotistical desire to see themselves as "welcoming", "tolerant" and "inclusive" has also been a fruitful line of attack by the ummah, and of course the LAST thing any self-respecting progressive wants to be nowadays is "Islamophobic". And, of course, the anti-racism cause has been well and truly hijacked. All this has crippled westerners ability to effectively respond to increasingly abhorrent behaviors emanating from their Muslim communities, from acts of mass murder to the mass sexual enslavement of their young females. Indeed, the average progressive nowadays seems more outraged by someone "targeting" the "Muslimness" of the perpetrators than the actual atrocities they have committed.
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‘Parent shouting Allahu Akbar’ beheads Paris teacher ‘for showing pupils cartoons of the Prophet in class’.
A source told Le Parisien: ‘The victim had recently given a lesson to his students on freedom of expression and had shown the caricatures of Muhammad’.

This led to an enraged parent confronting the teacher with a kitchen knife, and then cutting his head off, said the source. Witnesses watched the man decapitating his victim in broad daylight, and close to a school.
Man decapitated near Paris, police confirm to Euronews

A man has been decapitated near Paris and a suspect shot by law enforcement, police have confirmed to Euronews.

Local media reported the man was beheaded near a school in the commune of Conflans Saint-Honorine, northwest of the French capital, at around 5pm local time.

The AFP agency reported a suspect was shot in the neighbouring town of Éragny.
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The biggest tragedy of this unfortunate incident is that it will be exploited by the far right to sow hatred and division and Islamophobia. You can't judge an entire religion by the actions of a tiny minority. French people should immediately erase what happened here from their minds and focus on the fact that that most Muslims DON'T go around detaching teachers' heads from their necks with bread knives. Ooh and what's that over there? Is that the Alhambra, built during Islam's golden age when Muslims in lovely multicultural al-Andalus invented algebra and chemistry when the ignorant French were busy killing Jews and witches and thought the moon was made of brie? Look at that stalactite ornamentation. Isn't it wonderful?
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A religion is judged by its Holy books and text. Do the beheaders follower Islam`s Holy texts?

I think that they do.

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Well well well:
The teacher is suspected to have been targeted outside a school earlier today because he had used cartoons of the Muslim prophet Mohammed in the classroom.
Good for the Brit Daily Mirror paper!

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Leftists will now swing into action and will do the PR for islam.
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Imagine if it had been a French Muslim decapitated by a non-Muslim. It would have top TV news slots and 24/7 coverage around the world. Labour politicians in the UK would be relentlessly demanding that the UK Conservative Party immediately sign up to the Muslim Council of Britain's legal definition of "Islamophobia" and brings in emergency legislation to criminalize "Islamophobic" speech.
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"They will not divide us" proclaims Macron

Sorry Buddy, we are already divided by Islam into believers and kuffar . Between the best of created beings and the worst of created beings. Between the obedient slaves of Allah and the enemies of Allah. How many Muslims are going to disagree with Allah that the world is so divided?
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How do some Muslims react?

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Hello Ariel

What you posted does not surprise me at all. I still remember Ali Sina saying that an Islamic upbringing destroys empathy. Lack of empathy would enable muslims to carry out these abhorrent, agonising and distressing actions without any feeling for the victim`s suffering. I claim that an Islamic upbringing goes a long way to dehumanise people.

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Hello Ariel

What you posted does not surprise me at all. I still remember Ali Sina saying that an Islamic upbringing destroys empathy. Lack of empathy would enable muslims to carry out these abhorrent, agonising and distressing actions without any feeling for the victim`s suffering. I claim that an Islamic upbringing goes a long way to dehumanise people.

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True sum, but I am a little worried about the so called "friends of Islam" in Europe. There are so many of them. They are trying to downplay this tragedy , and many others .

Some of those people say that they can't believe that the Tsjetsjeense moslim Aboulakh A could not have decativated the teacher Samuel Paty with a kitchen knife. At most he could have cut his throat. As if that is not worse enough. :huh:

But Samuel Paty was beheaded. I have seen the unblurred picture on internet. I won't post that picture.

This picture is worse enough.

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France: Police operations underway after teacher's beheading

Dozens of suspected Islamist extremists are being investigated in connection with the beheading of a teacher in northern Paris. France's interior minister said the father of a pupil had issued a fatwa against the victim.

French police have launched operations against "dozens of individuals" suspected of having links to radical Islam following the decapitation of a French schoolteacher, Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin said Monday.

History teacher Samuel Paty was beheaded on Friday outside his school on Paris' northern outskirts after showing his pupils cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. His attacker, an 18-year-old Chechen, was shot dead by police shortly after the attack.

The gruesome killing has shocked France and prompted weekend protests across the country in support of freedom of speech.

Darmanin told Europe 1 radio that about 80 police investigations were underway into online hate messages that glorified the attack.

"There have already been arrests since Sunday. Since this morning, police operations have taken place and more will take place, concerning dozens of individuals," he said.

Darmanin said that more than 50 associations were being probed as part of the ongoing operations. He said he was also looking into whether certain groups in the French Muslim community that had been accused of promoting violence should be dissolved. He named the nongovernmental organization BarakaCity and the Collective Against Islamophobia in France (CCIF) as two possible candidates.

A police source cited by the Reuters news agency on Sunday said France was preparing to expel 231 foreigners on a government watchlist for suspected extremist religious beliefs. However, it was not clear whether that development was linked to Monday's operations.
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2nd French mayor threatened with BEHEADING in the wake of teacher’s brutal murder by ‘Islamic terrorist’

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A second French mayor has apparently been threatened with “beheading” just days after the gruesome murder of a schoolteacher over cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed. The ominous threat was sprayed on the walls of a school in Lyon.

“The mayor of the 8th, we’ll behead your head [sic],” the graffiti read, referring to the eighth district of Lyon and its elected official, Olivier Berzane. Unambiguous threats were also made to cut off the heads of teachers and students.

Mayor Berzane said he has already filed a criminal complaint over the offensive messages, vowing to pursue those who wrote them, as “no one takes these threats lightly.”

“It is out of the question to let such an act go unpunished. It is necessary to find the perpetrators,” Berzane told local media.

These words are disconcertingly stupid and unspeakable. It’s pure hatred. Is it an isolated act of someone not knowing what to do with their evening, or a serious threat? Anyway, it’s a case of extreme violence.

While the threats might have been, as Berzane suggested, an “isolated act,” they came only a day after the mayor of Bron, near Lyon, received a similar warning. The graffiti in that case also threatened the town’s elected official with beheading. Mayor Jérémie Bréaud denounced the “violent writing,” and France’s Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin directed the police to “take legal action and provide protection.”

French mayor threatened with ‘decapitation’ a week after schoolteacher’s brutal murder
This series of threats against local politicians comes a week after Samuel Paty, a schoolteacher in the Parisian suburb of Conflans-Sainte-Honorine, was beheaded in the middle of a street. He was slain by a hardline Islamist suspect of Chechen origin, supposedly as a punishment for showing “offensive” cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed during a lesson on free speech. The teenage attacker was apparently born in Moscow, as the media was quick to point out, but his family emigrated to France in the 2000s, and the young man applied for asylum and effectively grew up there.
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A huge blaze has erupted in an abandoned building in France’s northern port city of Le Havre, triggering the evacuation of nearby houses. Footage from the scene shows a large column of fire and thick clouds of smoke in the air.

The fire broke out on Saturday. According to France’s emergency services, the building is an old warehouse that is currently abandoned.

Extreem muslims cheered online because of this fire . Perhaps they think that Allah is punishing the french because of the mohammeds cartoons, or perhaps they have lit the fire. Who knows.

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This has nothing to do with Islam!

Ask any politician.

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Not only Macron needs mental check, you all also need mental examination as well.... :bash: :lol:
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