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SAM wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:15 am
Not only Macron needs mental check, you all also need mental examination as well.... :bash: :lol:
Let SAM respond to this first.

SAM, the Quran says that if Muslims find their religion mocked they should simply leave the presence of the mocker. Where does it say that the mocker should be killed? The killer of the teacher was therefore a corrupter of the word of Allah and therefore fell into the category of "striver after corruption in the earth" did he not? As such he did merit being "killed or crucified, or [having his] hand and a foot cut off on opposite sides, or be expelled from the land. as per Quran 5:33 did he not? By the same token, those in France who support him in his corrupt action can reasonably be immediately stripped of their French citizenship and deported can they not?
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SAM wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:15 am
Not only Macron needs mental check, you all also need mental examination as well.... :bash: :lol:
That hurt SAM. :x Welcome back
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antineoETC wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:25 am
SAM wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:15 am
Not only Macron needs mental check, you all also need mental examination as well.... :bash: :lol:
Let SAM respond to this first.

SAM, the Quran says that if Muslims find their religion mocked they should simply leave the presence of the mocker. Where does it say that the mocker should be killed? The killer of the teacher was therefore a corrupter of the word of Allah and therefore fell into the category of "striver after corruption in the earth" did he not? As such he did merit being "killed or crucified, or [having his] hand and a foot cut off on opposite sides, or be expelled from the land. as per Quran 5:33 did he not? By the same token, those in France who support him in his corrupt action can reasonably be immediately stripped of their French citizenship and deported can they not?
Which Quranic verse says that if Muslims find their religion mocked they should simply leave the presence of the mocker..
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Hello SAM

Surat An-Nisa' [4:140] - The Noble Qur'an - القرآن الكريم
https://legacy.quran.com/4/140
Surat An-Nisa' [verse 140] -

And it has already come down to you in the Book that when you hear the verses of Allah [recited], they are denied [by them] and ridiculed; so do not sit with them until they enter into another conversation. Indeed, you would then be like them. Indeed Allah will gather the hypocrites and disbelievers in Hell all together -

Have you read the Koran?

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Charlie Hebdo cartoons of Muhammad projected onto French hotels in memory of decapitated teacher Samual Paty

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The Charlie Hebdo Muhammad cartoons have become a symbol of freedom of expression in France, but one with potentially deadly consequences

In an act of defiance against Islamic terrorism, Charlie Hebdo cartoons were projected on hotels in Toulouse and Montpellier on Wednesday evening as a part of a national tribute to Samuel Paty, a school teacher who was beheaded by Muslim immigrant terrorists after showing images of Mohammad in a class centered on freedom of expression.

The bold decision to project the Charlie Hebdo cartoons, which included caricatures of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, on the facades of the two hotels, was made by the mayor of Occitanie region, Carole Delga, Le Figaro reports.
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Poll: Vast majority of French against accepting more migrants, believe migrants make France less safe

Seven out of 10 French claim their country no longer has the means to welcome immigrants

The vast majority of French are becoming increasingly hostile to accepting more migrants and believe they make the country less secure, according to a new exclusive survey carried out by the Ifop agency.

According to the survey, almost three-quarters of respondents believe that immigration costs France more than it earns from it, while seven out of 10 further claim that the country no longer has the means to welcome immigrants. The impact of immigrants on the public sphere is perceived as negative by 64 percent of respondents.

A clear majority of French people, representing 60 percent, believe that welcoming foreigners is no longer possible because of differences in values ​​and problems of cohabitation. An almost identical share believes that massive immigration plays a negative role in defining French identity and the cohesion of society. These identity fears go hand in hand with negative assumptions about the impact of immigration on secularism, as 61 percent of people see adverse effects of immigration on respect for this principle.

A large majority of French also believe there is a link between insecurity and immigration. Two-thirds of French people consider that immigration has a negative effect in terms of overall security and crime, and 53 percent of the French believes it maximizes the risk of terrorism.

Following recent high-profile terrorist attacks, including the beheading of French history teacher Samuel Paty by an 18-year-old Chechen Islamist and a second attack directed at the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, public sentiment regarding the topic of immigration is expected to sour further. Over 250 French people have lost their lives due to Islamic terrorist attacks since 2015.

The survey also looked at different components of the “immigration phenomenon” perceived by the French were evaluated. For a majority, the priority issues concern the fight against illegal immigration (53 percent) and the cost of immigration (52 percent). These two dimensions precede the integration of foreigners (41 percent) or the reception of migrants (36 percent). The beneficial contribution, whether it is cultural, human, or economic, emerges in the last position.

Previous surveys show that the French are becoming increasingly negative towards migration compared to previous years.

"In 2018, 64 percent of people thought that our country already has too many foreigners and welcoming more immigrants is not desirable and 60 percent that we cannot welcome more migrants because our values are too different and this brings problems in coexistence," commented senior opinion analyst from Ifop, Paul Cébille, on Twitter.

According to almost half of the respondents (49 percent), immigration leads to a lesser degree of gender equality or respect for minorities, for example, homosexuals, and Jews.

The point of view on immigration is vastly different for those supporters of the left and the right, with differences of more than 40 or 50 points. And the supporters of the French President Emmanuel Macron's Republicans and those of Marine Le Pen's National Rally express similar judgments that immigration has a negative impact in general and that it costs more than it earns.

Sympathizers of the Republicans often appear at a point of equilibrium, while drawing closer to the people of the left, on questions of cost, the right to vote of foreigners, or the terrorist risk linked to immigration.

The survey was conducted on a sample of 1,015 people, representative of the French population aged 18 and over.
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SAM wrote: Which Quranic verse says that if Muslims find their religion mocked they should simply leave the presence of the mocker..
Sum has answered your question above SAM. Do you agree then that it was the will of Allah that the killer of the teacher in France was killed as a corrupter of the true peaceful teachings of Islam and that those French citizens who have expressed support for his murderous actions should, by the same token, AT THE VERY LEAST be stripped of their French citizenship and expelled from the country?
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antineoETC wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:08 am
SAM wrote: Which Quranic verse says that if Muslims find their religion mocked they should simply leave the presence of the mocker..
Sum has answered your question above SAM.
sum really is an idiot. The verse is irrelevant or has nothing to do with mocking Muhammad.

I ask you again which verse of the Quran says that if Muslims find their religion mocked, they should simply leave the presence of the mocker....especially those who mock Muhammad :heh:
Do you agree then that it was the will of Allah that the killer of the teacher in France was killed as a corrupter of the true peaceful teachings of Islam and that those French citizens who have expressed support for his murderous actions should, by the same token, AT THE VERY LEAST be stripped of their French citizenship and expelled from the country?
The teacher asked to be killed after many warnings. When Muslims warn, that means business is not a joke... :reaper:
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Hello SAM

Your quote -
Which Quranic verse says that if Muslims find their religion mocked they should simply leave the presence of the mocker..

This is my very specific reply -

Surat An-Nisa' [4:140] - The Noble Qur'an - القرآن الكريم
https://legacy.quran.com/4/140
Surat An-Nisa' [verse 140] -

And it has already come down to you in the Book that when you hear the verses of Allah [recited], they are denied [by them] and ridiculed; so do not sit with them until they enter into another conversation. Indeed, you would then be like them. Indeed Allah will gather the hypocrites and disbelievers in Hell all together -

You now have a very specific reply from the Koran which is the perfect answer to your question. I will ask again. Have you read the Koran?

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SAM wrote:The teacher asked to be killed after many warnings. When Muslims warn, that means business is not a joke... :reaper:
SAM, you are endorsing an act of terrorism. We have given you an opportunity to condemn the murder of a completely innocent man as an unIslamic act and presented you with Quran passages in support of this position. Yet you have rejected them as having any bearing on the matter. All that can be concluded then is that the killer of the French schoolteacher was acting in an absolutely Islamic fashion. In which case the French goverment would be completely justified in banning Islam outright in that country and closing every mosque.

Leftists, please take note of what SAM has written.
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antineoETC wrote:
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SAM, you are endorsing an act of terrorism. We have given you an opportunity to condemn the murder of a completely innocent man as an unIslamic act and presented you with Quran passages in support of this position. Yet you have rejected them as having any bearing on the matter. All that can be concluded then is that the killer of the French schoolteacher was acting in an absolutely Islamic fashion. In which case the French goverment would be completely justified in banning Islam outright in that country and closing every mosque.

Leftists, please take note of what SAM has written.
There are 114 surahs and a thousand hadiths, you still can not find a single verse of the Quran or any hadith that says that if Muslims find their religion mocked, they should simply leave the presence of the mocker....especially those who mock Muhammad.

As I said, the teacher asked to be killed after many warnings. He thought no one would dare touch him because he was in his own country. But he forgets that today all countries have their own Muslims, unlike a hundred years ago where there were almost no Muslims in their countries.

His behavior shows that he deliberately mocked Muhammad under the pretext of free speech. In the end he lost his head ... he deserved it.

From Saidina Umar al-Khattab, there was an incident where a man was found guilty for insulting the Prophet PBUH. Thus, Saidina Umar sentenced him to death. Then, Saidina Umar said:

“Whoever insults Allah SWT, or insults one of the prophets, then kill him.”

That means ... any of the Prophets of Allah ... including Jesus, Moses, Abraham, etc.

Does a f*cking Christian take action in the Talmud writing that Jesus was the son of a bastard and his mother a prostitute.

They don't even have the balls to scoff at holocaust hoaxes for fear of Jewish punishment.... :yuk: :lotpot:
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Hello SAM

Your Quote -
There are 114 surahs and a thousand hadiths, you still can not find a single verse of the Quran or any hadith that says that if Muslims find their religion mocked, they should simply leave the presence of the mocker....especially those who mock Muhammad.

You have moved the goal posts. Your original question did not mention Muhammad at all. I answered your original question with a very specific quote from the Koran which directly addresses your question. Did you read Koran 4:140?

Why are you running away from my Koranic answer? It makes me think that you have not read the Koran. Have you?

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SAM wrote:As I said, the teacher asked to be killed after many warnings.

His behavior shows that he deliberately mocked Muhammad under the pretext of free speech. In the end he lost his head ... he deserved it.
From Saidina Umar al-Khattab, there was an incident where a man was found guilty for insulting the Prophet PBUH. Thus, Saidina Umar sentenced him to death. Then, Saidina Umar said:

Saidina Umar said:“Whoever insults Allah SWT, or insults one of the prophets, then kill him.”


SAM, the basic premise of FFI is that Islam is an inherently and unreformably violent terroristic death cult. You have endorsed this contention. Feel free to stick around and continue to do so.

Anybody reading this thread who is on the verge of joining Islam because they have been persuaded that, properly practiced, it is all sweetness and light should, on the basis of what SAM has written, take several steps back and have a long hard think.
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SAM is a keyboard jihadist.

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Too late. This is the new normal. Worse to come.




Europe is cooked. Short of a bloody civil war, there is no respite from Islam.
14 hundred years of Islamic conquest is deleted from history, forgotten or never learned.

Future generations will have to live with Islam or go to war with it.

All those who think that Islam will reform are fooling themselves.

Islam has been reformed many times, only to return to its original form.
Islam claims that is perfect. How can you change something for the better that is already perfect?

Quran:
This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
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Radicalism=following the Quran to the letter.
Practising the religion as prescribed by Muhammad.
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This has just come in. The RoP strikes again.




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These are "moderate" Muslims.

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This should be the occasion when Western politicians publicly quote one or two verses from the Koran that explain the beheadings, stabbings and hostility by the muslims. It should be blindingly obvious to all non-muslims that Islam is a violent non-compromising Arab imperialism that is programmed to subject the world to Sharia and Islamic dominance.

The EU should simply say that it accepts that the ideology of Islam is totally incompatible with that of the EU and therefore it is only logical that it would be prudent to stop all muslim immigration. There need be no criticism, just an acceptance that Islam is incompatible with non-Islam society and to limit further violence muslims wanting to come to France or anywhere in the EU should seek an Islamic country instead. No exceptions.

Major conflict is inevitable and so it might as well be now as it will be much more disastrous later.

Quote the verses in the Koran and Muhammad.

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What? A politician to declare that Islam is hostile to non-Muslims? Not going to happen.

Islam will never be criticised with so many peaceful Muslims already behind enemy lines.
Latest estimate there are over 50 Million Muslims in Europe.
And they will keep coming.

A politician will just say:

This has nothing to do with Islam. The terrorists are not real Muslims. Islam is peaceful.

It is too late to close the gates. Besides, there are no gates.
Any migrant sets a foot into Europe, stays forever. Cannot be sent back.
What are you, a bigot, a xenophobe, a racist white supremacist?

Anyone who is irrationally afraid of Islam the ideology, (an islamophobe) is a racist, mentally impaired criminal person.
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