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What a left wing government can do for a country. :yuk: Bow down to Islam or else!!!!
Children in Italian Town Forced to Learn Arabic, Courtesy of Moroccan Government

Zinoun Bouchra, a teacher of Moroccan origin living in Treviso, has joy and enthusiasm in his voice: "We want to build a bridge between different cultures to create moments of encounter and, we hope, peace."

Zinoun Bouchra and his association InterMed Cultura, as the local newspaper writes with admiration, "are getting ready to win a sensational victory if you take into account the history of Treviso.". Did not the former Northern League mayor of the town, Giancarlo Gentilini, called "the sheriff", invite the Muslims to go "piss in their mosques" instead of pissing on the walls of houses? But those times are passed: Gentilini was condemned for incitement to racial hatred, and Treviso, since last June, has been controlled by the left.

The victory of Zinoun Bouchra is occurring within the public educational group Coletti, based in Treviso, (two nurseries, five primary schools and two secondary schools). Pupils of the 3rd and 5th years of elementary school will now have lessons in Arab language and culture "to learn the Arabic alphabet, and the history and the culture from which so many of the classmates originate. And all of that during class hours." The timetable will be four hours per week throughout the year, "while respecting both Italian festivals and Arab festivals". Even better, "the initiative won't cost the school anything: it is being entirely paid for by the Moroccan government," which is covering the salaries of the two teachers "whose native language is Arabic."

The educational group Coletti is promoting these lessons with the slogan "Open yourself up to the world," and makes clear it is aimed not just at children, but adults: "students, teachers and everyone interested in discovery and encounter."

The initiative is praised by the national daily La Stampa, using pure multiculturalist jargon, as a model to be followed in all of Italy. Treviso feels "a justified pride", because it is the first time that an Italian school has organised free lessons "to initiate children so young into Arabic language and culture". "It's the sign of a society that is changing, which is more open to cultures different from our own and that belong to our classmates, including from the linguistic point of view, the first and most basic instrument of communication with the other."

The information site Noreporter, directed by Gabriele Adinolfi, relays the information under the magnificent headline: "Once we learned Latin." Enough said.

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Like in all European countries, Muslims fill our prisons. How can we change it ? Well... 'Bring in moderate imams against extremists' prison report says. I am not sure it is going to work. Perhaps they better send in the pope ones a month to kiss Muslims feet. maybe that will work.
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The Pope kisses the feet of one of twelve prisoners. :barf: Oh, my Lord....
Italy: 13,000 prison inmates from Muslim countries

(ANSAmed) - ROME - At least 35% of Italian prison inmates come from Muslim-majority countries, and one in four prisons has a prayer area set aside for them, a government report obtained by ANSAmed showed Monday.

The joint report by Italy's Iustice ministry and department of corrections is titled 'Mosques in Penal Institutions' and is to be released Tuesday in Rome at a Niccolò Cusano University conference on 'Muslims in Italy'. Of the 64,760 detainees as of September 30 (that number decreased to 62,500 people behind bars as of the end of 2013) approximately 23,000 were foreign, and 13,500 of these came from Muslim-majority countries, mostly Morocco and Tunisia.

Most were doing time for drug dealing, theft, falsifying documents and resisting arrest, the report showed. Of these, just under 9,000 were observant Muslims, including 181 imams or spiritual leaders, and 53 out of 202 prisons surveyed had mosques set up for them. In prisons lacking adequate space, people pray in their cells or in the yard.

Italy's chronically overcrowded and underfunded prisons are likely places for religious radicalism to proliferate, according to the report. ''Extremists can create networks and recruit and radicalize new members, canceling out attempts at education and rehabilitation'', it said. While those accused of terrorism are ''rigorously separated from the rest of the inmate population'' to reduce the risk of proselytism, ''the common population might also include religious fundamentalists'' who would have access to ''fragile, easily influenced'' individuals.

The report calls on prison authorities to bring in ''moderate imams'', ''cultural mediators'' and ''charismatic individuals'' able to work on ''de-radicalizing'' the most extremist inmates. Extremists often quote religious texts but tend to have only superficial knowledge of them: bringing in educated religious figures, ''especially if from the same tribal, ethnic and linguistic groups, could be effective in refuting extremist views, pointing to more moderate parts of religious texts''. Many inmates find religion behind bars, according to report curator Luca Bontempo. ''Inmates find solace in religion, which allows them to recreate their communities of origin'', he explained.

There are an estimated 10 new converts a year within the prison system, he added. These are people with no strong religious beliefs to begin with, but who might find protection and a new social identity in Islam behind bars.

Italy's prisons currently dispose of a ''modest'' team providing spiritual guidance for inmates made up of nine imams, 15 cultural mediators and approximately 60 volunteers. Prison authorities are working on a joint project with the Union of Islamic Communities in Italy (UCOII) to license more imams to work with inmates, Bontempo added. (ANSAmed).

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Ariel, this is a practice in the Catholic Church and also in Orthodox Churches.

It the week before Easter, the local bishop (and also in some places the parish priest) washes the feet of some members of the congregation.

This is based on the story in John's gospel, chapter 13:
14 And since I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you ought to wash each other’s feet. 15 I have given you an example to follow. Do as I have done to you.
Unlike Mohammed, Jesus sets an example, a very specific one. If you want to be a leader you must be everybody else's servant. Your greatness is measured by your service to those entrusted to you. You are nothing because of your office, and everything because of the things you do.

So also the pope does this in the week leading up to Easter. I am not sure if he picked Muslim people specially for this, but I think I read somewhere he went to a prison.

His message in this symbolic act is not one of endorsing Islam, it is a message to the pope too, telling him that he is in fact the one who should set an example of how ALL people should be to each other.

If he did wash the feet of a Muslim man, I doubt he would even begin to understand what he was part of. If he understood the message, even half of it, he would try to be everybody's helper and servant, and not speak of invasion and jiziya...

Still, there is always hope that perhaps one or another will get it one day, and suddenly discover a much happier world he could be part of.
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I did not know that foot washing is a practice in the Catholic Church Manfred. Never heard of it before. I can't believe it is done in Holland, but I am not a Catholic, so who knows. :clueless: . To me it still feels like blasphemy. Putting yourself on the same level with Christ. But I guess I feel like this because I had a very Calvinistic upbringing. Who knows. And if the pope is washing the feet of a Muslim or a non Muslim criminal , it is all the same to me.
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It is not meant to put anyone on the same level as Christ. It simply is following what it says in the gospel: " ... you ought to wash each other’s feet. I have given you an example to follow. Do as I have done to you. "

Any Catholic bishop would do this also in Holland, usually on the day before Good Friday. It is also practised in some, but not all Lutheran communities.
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This can't go on...There are so many migrants waiting to move to Europe. We can't cope.

Wave continues as Mare Nostrum swings into higher gear
1,200 migrants land in Sicily

Palermo, May 2 - Almost 1,200 asylum seekers landed in Sicily Friday, bringing to almost 2,000 the latest in a wave of new arrivals swollen by good weather and a sweeping new rescue operation launched after 400 migrants drowned in tow disasters last year.

An Italian Navy ship, part of the major Mare Nostrum search-and-rescue ops, reached the port of Augusta where the 1,170 migrants will disembark and be processed.

The migrants, from various North African countries, were picked up Thursday close to the stepping-stone island of Lampedusa.

Mare Nostrum is credited with saving almost all lives of the recent migrants who brave the perilous crossing towards a better life in Europe.

But Italy says it will be overwhelmed by almost one million desperate people massing on the North African shores, and has made the umpteenth appeal to the EU for help in coping with the emergency.

Separately Thursday, more than 300 North African asylum seekers were rescued south of Sicily and taken to the port of Messina.

Earlier Friday the Navy rescued 358 migrants in the Sicilian Channel between Italy and Africa.
The migrants, who are bidding for refugee status, included 43 women, one of them pregnant, and 24 children.
The asylum seekers said they came from Mali, Ghana, Belize, Niger, Sudan, Syria and the Palestinian Territories.

Earlier this week Italy said "at least 800,000" migrants are about to leave the North African coast for Europe, while the reception system in Italy - the first landing point for the vast majority of these - is already on the brink of collapse from tens of thousands of earlier arrivals.

"We no longer have a place to take them, and locals are overwhelmed by the constant arrival of foreigners," Giovanni Pinto, head of the Immigration and Border Police agency, told a joint meeting of the foreign and defence committees in the Italian Senate.

As many as 25,000 migrants have landed on Italian shores to date this year, almost a ten-fold increase over the 2,500 reported during the same period in 2013 and nearing 2011's record levels of 62,000 migrants, Interior Minister Angelino Alfano said earlier this month.

That has stretched already-strained resources in Italy, which only emerged from its deepest recession since the Second World War late last year, to the breaking point, particularly as it comes after record-breaking levels of migration in 2013.

Italy is appealing for international help in the face of the waves of newcomers fleeing their homelands in numbers that tend to increase in spring and summer months as sea conditions improve.

"Europe should know that Italy is a welcoming country, but we cannot accommodate everyone," Alfano said.
He added that 200 human traffickers believed to be responsible for smuggling thousands across the sea to Italy in dangerous conditions have been arrested.

One day earlier, Premier Matteo Renzi vowed to request more assistance from the European Union and the United Nations on tackling undocumented immigration during a special meeting of his cabinet to consider emergency migrant issues.

Part of the problem, said Pinto, is that many migrants who land in Italy are fleeing failed governments in Libya, civil war in Syria, and hostilities in other parts of the Middle East and North Africa.

That means the Italian government has no corresponding authorities to turn to for help in returning the migrants.
"We aren't dealing with a government that can establish treaties," said Pinto, refering to the case of Libya in particular.
"We have no interlocutors...There's no prime minister...there are no ministers," he said.

He also praised the efforts of the Mare Nostrum program, which was set up to prevent deaths at sea following two migrant ship disasters in October 2013 in which 400 people died in sight of Lampedusa.

"Surely the operation Mare Nostrum has given excellent results," said Pinto.
In contrast, some opposition politicians complain that Mare Nostrum only encourages migrants to risk their lives and cross the Mediterranean, often in rickety, overcrowded boats.

There are also concerns that it encourages human smuggling as well.
Northern League Secretary Matteo Salvini said last week that Italy must suspend these operations because they are too expensive - about 300,000 euros daily, he said - and represent an "invasion" of Italian shores.

Salvini, whose party has taken strong stances against immigration, called last month on allies across Europe to join the League in fighting "mass immigration" in the lead-up to May's European Parliament elections.
In response to the rising levels of dangerous migration, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) has said that Italy must have more financial help.

The UNHCR has said that the Mediterranean is one of the busiest seas in the world, and urged European Union members to work together on solutions to the migrant situation, which is expected to worsen.

Migrant arrivals to Italy dropped off to the tiniest trickle under a push-back to Libya policy, similar to Australia's efforts to stem boat people, which was introduced by a previous Silvio Berlusconi-led government and criticised by progressives and human rights groups. The controversial policy was scrapped with the advent of centre-left-led governments although some analysts have said similar programmes should be restarted to stop the people traffickers who are growing fat on the plight of desperate migrants who save for years in slave labour and sex work to pay their passage to what they hope will be a better future.

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And what are you going to do as a immigrant if you are saved by an Italian Navy ship from this perilous crossing towards a better life in Europe? You are visiting a library and looking for the Koran because you are a good Muslim. . And what are you going to do if you can't find the koran? You destroys this public library and you attacks staff.
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Senegalese Muslim destroys public library and attacks staff because there were no qurans or books about Islam on the shelves”

In Busalla, a small town of 5,700 inhabitants, in the province of Genes, in Liguria, a 24-year-old Senegalese Muslim man went to the town’s public library looking for the Quran and books about Islamic culture but found none. So he went mad and started beating up the two staff members, a 43-year-old woman and a 64-year-old man. Then he ransacked the library, knocking over shelves and throwing down all the books, while shouting "ALLAHU AKHBAR!”

IslamvsEurope Having been alerted, the carabinieri the local police agents had a very hard time at trying to get this crazed Muslim under control. "After a short but violent fight, he was arrested and charged for serious damage, resistance in the café of public force and attack against police agents.” Immediately after, he was carried to the prison of Marassi. One of the agents spent 7 days totally incapacitated. (continue reading...)
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Having worked in libraries for a total of 9 non-consecutive years, this dinky town would only have enough space to carry books that people were actually likely to read. He seems likely to be the lone Muslim in town, so there'd be no demand for it. And if there are no books on Islam in the library, that means no one's interested. :smartass:
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But we all know the story of the Islamic leader who declared that if books echo what is in the Koran, they are unnecessary and if they do not they should be destroyed. AFAIK, for a long time even printing the Koran was forbidden.
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"You can insult the Christians, the Buddhists, the Hindus, the Jews. You can slander the Catholics, you can spit on the Madonna and Jesus Christ. But, woe betide the citizen who pronounces a word against the Islamic religion. " Orianna Fallaci

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Why want some people ( often not muslims) want to propagate even more islam in Europe. It beats me. It seems to me that this study does not help you to get a nice job in the west . And why do we have to change our attitudes towards Islam ?
How Islamic college plan has split Italian town

Plans to build an Islamic university for 5,000 students in a small town in Italy's heel will help change attitudes towards Muslims, organizers say. But many locals are afraid that it will change the character of Lecce - and are asking who's paying for it.

Carrying a shoulder bag full of books about African culture, Ibrahima Diokhane has come to the centre of Lecce on a damp Saturday morning to meet Giampiero Palladini, the Italian businessman hoping to bring what would be Europe’s first Islamic University to the city.

Diokhane, from Senegal, has lived in Italy for 17 years, the last five of which have been in Lecce, a historic walled city in the heart of Puglia’s Salento region with a bustling student community.

He’s come to offer encouragement for a project, seen by its promoters as “an instrument for peace” but which has divided a city that otherwise prides itself on its openness.

“We need something that could help change people’s attitudes towards being Muslim,” he tells The Local.

At first glance, Italy’s ‘deep south’ might seem like an odd choice for an Islamic University compared to the more prosperous north, where more than half of Italy’s 1.5 million Muslims live. And the 5,000 students will certainly make their presence felt in the town of 95,000 inhabitants.

But for Palladini, a Muslim convert born in Lecce, the location makes complete sense.

“This is not something separate, it’s something that fully blends in with the history of the south,” he tells The Local, referring to a period in the ninth century when parts of Puglia were controlled by Muslims.

“Geographically, we are also closer to the Arab world than we are to some parts of Italy’s north, and we feel this at a psychological level too.”

He describes Puglia, whose president, Nichi Vendola, is one of only two gay regional governors in Italy, the second, Rosario Crocetta, being in Sicily, as a ‘utopia’ when compared to the rest of the country.

“We are very open. For centuries, we have welcomed foreigners. We are generally more relaxed than people in the north.”

Palladini, who also heads up Confime, a confederation for Mediterranean businesses, was speaking after a press conference on Saturday to announce that the project has been registered and land obtained on the outskirts of Lecce to build a campus that will include accommodation, sports facilities and a mosque.

The university, which still needs accreditation from the Ministry of Education, would initially teach courses in philosophy, literature and theology, and would be open to all students in Italy and abroad.

But rising angst over persistent threats from the Isis extremist group has rubbed off on some locals' attitudes to Islam. In this environment, the bid to attract more Muslims to the area, and to an institution that will have Islamic teaching at its core, has fuelled tension in the city.

Paolo Perrone, the mayor of Lecce, told the local newspaper, Quotidiano di Lecce, last week that “at this particular time in history, the city isn’t ready”. Perrone, who was voted Italy's "most loved mayor" in 2013, declined to comment further when contacted by The Local.

Meanwhile Severo Martini, a councillor from the city’s planning unit, says the project has “caused alarm” among residents, especially in the aftermath of the deadly attacks by Islamic extremists at the office of Charlie Hebdo, a satirical magazine, in Paris in early January.

Martini was among the councillors who last month rejected a permit request from Palladini to renovate a former tobacco factory to house the university.

“Our worries are that, at this time, the climate isn’t good for this type of project,” he tells The Local.

“Our other concern was where the funding is coming from. This part wasn’t transparent.”

But despite the objections, the local authority has no influence on whether or not the project will materialize.

The funding of the university is a subject of much controversy. Middle Eastern states' funding of mosques has raised concerns elsewhere in Europe about the promotion of radical forms of Islam. In February, Austria banned foreign funding of mosques.

Palladini is so far vague about where the money will come from. He says he will need €45 million to bring the university into existence, and claims to already have secured a number of pledges. He is not yet revealing any identities, but says they are mostly private sponsors from Arab nations, including Qatar and Kuwait.

He says he’ll firm up those pledges over the next couple of months and shrugs off fears that the money could originate from those funding terrorism or that the university will bring trouble.

“With the likes of Isis, it is a fear that didn’t exist a few years ago,” he says.

“But Muslims are even more afraid right now. We’re all afraid together. People need to understand that the Muslim world isn’t Isis.”

The aim of the university is to promote culture and integration as well as open up the prospects for job opportunities abroad for young Italians.

“You won’t win a war with weapons. The war will be won with culture, science and intelligence.”

Giovanni, a bar owner, agrees.

“Why not? For centuries we’ve welcomed foreigners, Albanians, Greeks, Libyans..." he says, adding that most young people are in favour of the project.

“It could bring cultural and economic benefits. The problem is the older generation. Our city is full of churches and Catholic symbols…this level of diversity is hard for them to accept. But at the end of the day it’s a university, for study, not to bring terrorism.”

Others beg to differ.

“I don’t want it,” says Giuseppe Tondo, who is out of work.

“This is our home. Foreigners come here but they don’t try to fit in. When we emigrated in the 1960s, we adapted to other countries’ customs. They don’t.”

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Ariel wrote: Perhaps they better send in the pope ones a month to kiss Muslims feet.
Perhaps you do not know that brownies mean not just some Arabs but also Christians of the South and Central Americas who are mulattoes similiar to many muslims and Brahmins of sub-continent
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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Some Hindus prominent amongst them being the Brahmins and other muslims of India also look mestizo.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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Is this South Africa ? No, this is the new Italy. Welcome to the multicultural utopia all the liberals in Europe dream of.

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Half a million refugees gather in Libya to attempt perilous crossing to Europe
Up to half a million refugees are gathering in Libya to attempt the crossing to Europe on the deadly boats that have killed thousands already.

The toll of misery was revealed by senior Royal Navy officers leading Britain’s Mediterranean rescue mission off the Libyan coast. Britain’s amphibious assault ship HMS Bulwark has helped save around 4,000 refugees before they drowned having set sail in unseaworthy boats.

The ship’s 350-strong company of sailors and Royal Marines is bracing itself to rescue a further 3,000. Captain Nick Cooke-Priest said: “Indications are that there are 450,000 to 500,000 migrants in Libya who are waiting at the border.”

As he spoke, intelligence reports were warning Bulwark’s crew, which is among about 11 rescue vessels in the central Mediterranean, of thousands more migrants in the water. Britain is working with the Italian navy on Operation Weald to rescue migrants who have fallen prey to people smuggling gangs in Libya.
Refugees?! Why are they called refugees? They are economic migrants. Unskilled, unemployable. Freeloaders.
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The key to this is in Libya and not in Europe. We do have in Europe some responsibility for the problems, as "Libya" is a country artificially created without regard to tribal allegiances by Western powers. So when the Gadaffi regime collapsed it is not surprising that anarchy ensued. However, we cannot simply take all the people from Libya and re-settle them in Europe. The more we take the more will risk the crossing.

What we need to do is to help restructure the region along the lines of natural allegiances, possibly creating three separate state entities. We would also perhaps need to help them to develop, but with minimum interference.

In other words, we need a plan which helps the people IN LIBYA, and not helping them to leave the place.
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The Americans killed Gadafi, so now we are fighting back. We come to Europe in millions. Nobody can stop us. In a short time we will be the rulers.

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ISLAM_rules wrote:The Americans killed Gadafi, so now we are fighting back. We come to Europe in millions. Nobody can stop us. In a short time we will be the rulers.
Right, that must be when hell freezes over...
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You have finally awoken the ummah and renewed their fighting spirit as it once was. So in a sense we thank you for that. And you know that Europe is already lost to you. Not long before you will the minority. All we need to do is wait.

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This is Napoli. Enough is enough. How long are we going to take this sh*t.

The famous market square, a place of worship of the Virgin Mary Madonna del Carmine, is now covered every Friday with Muslim prayer mats. Hundreds of barefoot men recite the sermon of Imam Yassin, or Agostino Gentile, who is convinced that ''there were Communism and Che Guevara before, now there is Islam''

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