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Italian Leaders Vow Not to Shelter Any More Rescued Migrants

Heartened by recent election successes by an anti-immigrant party, Italian politicians based in the north vowed Sunday not to shelter any more migrants saved at sea, even as thousands more were being rescued in the Mediterranean from smugglers' boats in distress.

Elsewhere in the country, however, corruptions investigations have revealed that some local officials gleefully see a cash cow in the shelters.

Over the weekend, nearly 6,000 migrants were rescued by an array of European military vessels, including 2,371 who were saved on Sunday from 15 boats that ran into difficulty shortly after smugglers set off with them from Libyan shores, the Italian coast guard said.

Two German military ships brought a total of some 1,400 people to Sicilian ports Sunday, a day after they were rescued.

Mayors of Sicilian and other southern towns have warned for months they've run out of room for migrants, and thousands of the rescued are being resettled in shelters in central and northern Italy while their asylum requests are processed. The migrants flee poverty, persecution and war in Africa, the Middle East and Asia.

Among the north-based Italian politicians refusing to accept more migrants Sunday was newly-elected Liguria Gov. Giovanni Toti. Toti's candidacy was backed by his mentor, former center-right Premier Silvio Berlusconi, and by the anti-immigrant Northern League party, which was bolstered by results in balloting for governorships a week ago.

In Lombardy, whose capital is Milan, longtime League leader, Gov. Roberto Maroni, asked followers on Twitter if they agreed with him that "Lombardy mayors must refuse to welcome clandestine migrants" sent by the national government or else face regional funding cuts as punishment.

Fueling pledges to welcome no more migrants in their regions was a warning Saturday from Britain's defense secretary, Michael Fallon, that hundreds of thousands of migrants might be in Libya, poised to attempt the perilous sea crossing over the summer months.

An U.N. refugee agency official, Carlotta Sami, called such figures speculation. But Northern League leader Matteo Salvini cited the huge figure when he spoke about "an alarm" of a flood of migrants.

Also pledging his region won't accept more rescued migrants was Veneto Gov. Luca Zaia, a Northern League proponent who scored a resounding victory for a second term in the May 31 vote. "First of all, we must do away with the illusion that we can support and manage a biblical exodus," he said in an interview in Corriere della Sera daily Sunday.

Zaia contended his northeastern Veneto region, home to many family-run or medium-sized businesses, had no more room for migrants.

According to Interior Ministry figures, as of early May, Veneto was sheltering some 3,000 rescued migrants, or 4 percent of the national total. By comparison, Sicily, where unemployment is chronic, was sheltering 16,000 migrants for 22 percent of the total, while the more affluent region of Lazio, including Rome, had about half that number, for 12 percent, and Maroni's Lombardy had some 6,600, or 9 percent of the total.

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While these politicians in the north were saying no to more migrants, corruptions investigations have showed that other Italian politicians and local officials see the shelters as a way to make money.

Last week, 44 people, including local politicians from the center-left to the center-right in the Rome area, were arrested for investigation of alleged corruption or tampering with public contract bidding. The Rome-based probe, which netted dozens of arrests a few months ago in an earlier chapter, examined public contracts for social services, including for asylum-seekers at a migrant center in Sicily.

In intercepted phone calls, one suspect was heard referring to migrant shelters as a "cow to milk" for money.

Rome daily La Repubblica on Sunday reported that prosecutors in Florence, the Tuscan capital, and in Bari and Catania in the south were also scrutinizing contracts for feeding and sheltering migrants. It put costs this year at more than 1 billion euros ($1.1 billion), about 40 percent more than was spent last year, when Italy rescued 170,000 migrants from smugglers' boats in the waters off Libya.

Most of the migrants want to reach family or other support networks in northern Europe. They are supposed to stay in Italy until asylum applications are evaluated, although thousands slip away from the shelters and make their way to Germany, Sweden, the Netherlands and elsewhere.

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Knifeman shouting 'Allah is great' forces tourist to her knees as he holds a blade to her neck at Rome's Colosseum in terrifying random attack

A tourist was forced to her knees at knifepoint at Rome's Colosseum in a terrifying attack that recalled an ISIS-style execution.
Hundreds of horrified visitors to the Italian landmark looked on as the attacker held a kitchen knife to the neck of a 26-year-old woman and yelled 'Allah is great' and 'It is God that sends me'.

The man held Chiara Frisco hostage for several minutes as he yelled religious fanaticism at the crowd with police powerless to act.
One witness said: 'It seemed like a scene from ISIS.

'He made the girl get down on her knees like you see in the terrorists' videos, while he held a knife to her throat.
'The only thing missing was the orange jumpsuit.'

Others told Il Messaggero he was yelling 'incomprehensible things, but among them "Allah is great".'
Miss Frisco, from Vasto on the Adriatic coast, who was visiting her sister in Rome to celebrate her graduation, said she feared 'the worst' when the knifeman grabbed her.
Speaking from hospital where she was being treated for shock, she said: 'We came from Vasto to celebrate my sister's graduation.
'We were supposed to meet her in the evening. While waiting we decided to take a walk and go and see the Colosseum.'
She was sitting on a low wall with my boyfriend and other friends on Monday afternoon when the 'maniac' struck.
She told La Repubblica: 'I felt myself pulled suddenly into the middle of the crowd. Then I felt the blade of the knife that he was holding against me. I feared the worst would happen.

'I could not see the weapon. The whole attack lasted seconds but I felt a tremendous fear.
'The man was yelling like a maniac. Luckily the police came though.'


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why do you only post bad news about Islam? Do you think we are all like that? Why trying to stir up hate?

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fas wrote:why do you only post bad news about Islam? Do you think we are all like that? Why trying to stir up hate?
You must be really desperate for sympathy. I'm against any religious extremism, bullying, etc. That is the point of this site, including articles related to extremism. Sadly Islam happens to be the source of the utmost highest percentage of global extremism.
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fas wrote:why do you only post bad news about Islam? Do you think we are all like that? Why trying to stir up hate?
Why indeed...
There is already enough hate in the Koran and the sunna. Enough to last for fourteen centuries and more.

Why post bad news about Islam?
Because there are no good news about Islam. Absolutely none what so ever. Never was, never will.
Do you think we are all like that?
Yes, I do.
Given enough numbers and half a chance, all Muslims are like that. The Quran demands it. It is the Islamic law.

Islam is not a religion. It is a theocratic, supremacist, fascist totalitarian movement that wants to kill everyone that disagrees with its ultimate goal of the master race of all Muslims.
Islam: an idea to kill and die for.

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pr126 wrote:
fas wrote:why do you only post bad news about Islam? Do you think we are all like that? Why trying to stir up hate?
Why indeed...
There is already enough hate in the Koran and the sunna. Enough to last for fourteen centuries and more.

Why post bad news about Islam?
Because there are no good news about Islam. Absolutely none what so ever. Never was, never will.
Do you think we are all like that?
Yes, I do.
Given enough numbers and half a chance, all Muslims are like that. The Quran demands it. It is the Islamic law.

Islam is not a religion. It is a theocratic, supremacist, fascist totalitarian movement that wants to kill everyone that disagrees with its ultimate goal of the master race of all Muslims.
Are for real? Not even the crusaders had so much hate.

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Not even the crusaders had so much hate
You should read the Quran and the hadiths.Plenty of hate there.
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The Koran is like a mirror to your soul. If you are a hateful man you only find hateful things in it.

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Depends what you call hateful.
Fighting and hating the kuffar is not considered hateful, it is a religious duty of every Muslim.
An obligation to Allah.

All the conciliatory ( Mekkan ) verses are abrogated, replaced by the warring Medinan verses.
But you know that, don't you?
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we are told never to transgress. We defend, sure. But if you keep the peace so will we.

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fas wrote:
we are told never to transgress.
What does that mean? Where does transgression begin?
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pr126 wrote:fas wrote:
we are told never to transgress.
What does that mean? Where does transgression begin?
I am not an expert on the law governing warfare, but I know this: Aggressive warfare is forbidden, only defense is allowed. Those who surrender must be treated fairly.

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fas wrote:
pr126 wrote:fas wrote:
we are told never to transgress.
What does that mean? Where does transgression begin?
I am not an expert on the law governing warfare, but I know this: Aggressive warfare is forbidden, only defense is allowed. Those who surrender must be treated fairly.
So how did Islam conquer most of north Africa, most of Europa, the Bizantines, India, Afghanistan, the Persians?
All defensive wars? Are you kidding?

100 years after Muhammad's death Islam had bigger empire than the Romans had. All by defensive wars.
You don't say. :lotpot:
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Yes, I do say. Truth is often resisted violently, and Muslims were roundly attacked on all sides in the early day. And yet they succeeded. And just when we thought Muslim decline cannot get any worse, guess what? OIL was found. Allah tests and tries us but he also protects us against the infidels.

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Asylum seekers in Italy do not like their hotel. I am sure they are used better.



Beds, mattresses and other stuff is cast outside, because the African gentlemen do not like the beds, they do not like the food, the hotel is dirty, and they do not want to live in such a dump.

They complain..
They do not treat us well. I should be happy but instead we suffer. The rooms are awful, the beds no good, we don't like the food, and everything is dirty. Inside the building it is cold . We are freezing.
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fas wrote:Yes, I do say. Truth is often resisted violently,
So anyone resisting forcible imposition of "truth" is an aggressor. I'll leave it to you and other Koranic experts to list the verses (yet again) but it's quite clear that Islam regards disbelief as an attack on Islam meriting a violent response. That is not an argument acceptable to civilised modern human beings.
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I think this story about the nice hotel is fake. They would never put migrants in a nice place. They are always put in tents, old army houses and so on. If they really put them there maybe 10 or more in one room.

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fas wrote:I think this story about the nice hotel is fake. They would never put migrants in a nice place. They are always put in tents, old army houses and so on. If they really put them there maybe 10 or more in one room.
What planet are you from fas? :clueless: If you really are from morocco , you speak French, so read the link. And if you read this forum, you could know that also in England migrants are put in hotels.
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Ariel wrote:
fas wrote:I think this story about the nice hotel is fake. They would never put migrants in a nice place. They are always put in tents, old army houses and so on. If they really put them there maybe 10 or more in one room.
What planet are you from fas? :clueless: If you really are from morocco , you speak French, so read the link. And if you read this forum, you could know that also in England migrants are put in hotels.
It says:
Nous ne sommes pas bien traités. Moi, ici, je devrais me sentir bien. Nous souffrons. L'endroit où nous dormons n'est pas bien et tout est très sale. La nourriture n'est pas bonne. Il fait très froid à l'intérieur, on gèle".

He says why they are unhappy: they are treated badly, they are given a horrible dirty place to sleep in which is freezing cold, and they get rotten food.

Nobody decent says things like that for no reason. So I don't believe they would say such things if they were in a 4 star hotel as the article says. Or if the are in that hotel, they are put into the room with the rubbish bins or something.

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fas wrote:

He says why they are unhappy: they are treated badly, they are given a horrible dirty place to sleep in which is freezing cold, and they get rotten food.

Nobody decent says things like that for no reason. So I don't believe they would say such things if they were in a 4 star hotel as the article says. Or if the are in that hotel, they are put into the room with the rubbish bins or something.
Have you seen the hotel they stay in ? It does not look like a dump to me. Perhaps they don't like the food they get, but I am sure it is not rotten. If they prefere African foods, they should have stayed in AfrIca. And all those young man seem able enough to use their hands, and clean up their own mess. They are not paying guests, but they are invaders who cost Italy lots of money. And I bet the hotel has airco, so inside the hotel it must be a comfortable 21 degrees. Normal people would love airco in a warm country. All those complaining, whining young man should be put on a rubber boat and towed back to Africa where they will have heat, African food and a I hope a happy life.

Those moaning immigrants are ungrateful sods.
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