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fas wrote:
pr126 wrote:
fas wrote:why do you only post bad news about Islam? Do you think we are all like that? Why trying to stir up hate?
Why indeed...
There is already enough hate in the Koran and the sunna. Enough to last for fourteen centuries and more.

Why post bad news about Islam?
Because there are no good news about Islam. Absolutely none what so ever. Never was, never will.
Do you think we are all like that?
Yes, I do.
Given enough numbers and half a chance, all Muslims are like that. The Quran demands it. It is the Islamic law.

Islam is not a religion. It is a theocratic, supremacist, fascist totalitarian movement that wants to kill everyone that disagrees with its ultimate goal of the master race of all Muslims.
Are for real? Not even the crusaders had so much hate.
The crusade didn't have 1400 years of hate. Islam do!

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fas wrote:
pr126 wrote:fas wrote:
we are told never to transgress.
What does that mean? Where does transgression begin?
I am not an expert on the law governing warfare, but I know this: Aggressive warfare is forbidden, only defense is allowed. Those who surrender must be treated fairly.
LOL, you Muslim attack India and China for no reason other than expansion. You even attack Thailand now for no reason other than expansion again.

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Sicily police arrest convicted terrorist Ben Nasr Mehdi who entered Italy on migrant boat

The Tunisian was first arrested in Italy in November 2007 and sentenced to seven years for planning terror attacks for a group that has since been linked to Isis
Fears that Islamic terror groups might be entering Europe on migrant boats appear to have been confirmed after police in Sicily identified a convicted terrorist among asylum seekers arriving from Libya.

The Tunisian, Ben Nasr Mehdi, was first arrested in Italy in November 2007 and sentenced to seven years for planning terror attacks for a group that has since been linked to Isis. After his release from the high-security Benevento prison in southern Italy, he was expelled from the country.

But it has emerged that he has attempted to enter Italy again, following his arrest last month by Italian authorities after arriving at the island of Lampedusa, off Sicily. He was among 200 migrants rescued at sea by a navy vessel on 4 October.

Despite giving a false name and claiming that he was seeking asylum in northern Europe to escape political persecution, finger prints revealed his true identity. He was held along with three other men, thought to be the human traffickers who had organised the trip, and interrogated by police in the Sicilian city of Agrigento.

Several days later Mehdi, 38, was repatriated, and put into the hands of Tunisian authorities. Local press reports suggest that authorities had attempted to conceal the incident to prevent panic.

Italy’s interior minister, Angelino Alfano, had previously insisted there was no evidence that Islamic terrorists were sneaking into Europe aboard migrant boats, despite warnings from right-of-centre politicians that the wave of migration from North Africa represented a serious security threat. Mr Alfano, has said however, that Italian security forces are constantly looking out for such a threat.

The interior ministry was not able to respond to The Independent’s request for comment. Italian authorities have said, however, they regard Mehdi as one of the most dangerous terrorists to have operated in Italy. He is considered to be an explosives expert and a contact for organisations that recruit jihadists from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 26356.html
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Migrants versus the MAFIA: Cosa Nostra 'declares war' on refugees as mayor says Sicily capital feels more like Istanbul or Beirut than Europe

Sicilian mafia declared 'war on migrants' after immigration levels soared
Innocent man shot in the head during a street altercation in Palermo
Cosa Nostra are fighting African gangs for supremacy on Sicily
Palermo mayor has described the Sicily’s capital as ‘no longer European’


Immigration to Italy soared by 90 per cent in the first three months of the year. The migrant population in Ballaró, the part of Palermo where the shooting took place, has risen from approximately five to 25 per cent since the migrant crisis began.

There is widespread concern in Italy that the number of new migrants exceeds the country’s capacity to cope - and the mafia is its biggest and most dangerous critic.

The mayor of Palermo, Leoluca Orlando said: ‘In the past, when the Mafia was more powerful, it prevented any immigrants from entering the city. Until I was 30 years old, I never saw an African or Asian in Palermo.
Palermo is no longer an Italian town. It is no longer European. You can walk in the city and feel like you’re in Istanbul or Beirut.
Leoluca Orlando, mayor of Palermo

‘The Mafia has not understood that the city has changed. We are now a city of immigrants, and the Mafia bosses no longer sit in the mayor’s chair.

‘Palermo is a Middle Eastern town in Europe. It is a mosaic city and we are happy about that.'

The deadly Mafia-migrant war began after African criminal gangs apparently entered the country alongside law-abiding migrants, and started to operate ‘on the Mafia’s doorstep’.

Mobsters claimed that police were targeting their activities while leaving African gangs alone.

Then, two weeks ago, an innocent Gambian migrant was shot through the head in a 'hit' by a gangster dubbed 'an animal'. Astonishingly, he survived, but the attack was a brutal example of the violence gripping the island and raises fears it will spin out of control.

Mayor Orlando said: ‘This Mafia shooting was a tremendous mistake because it turned the city against them. The Mafia needs silence and darkness. It needs people to keep their mouths shut.
Wishful thinking? How many other Mafia killings have "turned the city against them"? More likely, the politicians have had a word in the mayor's ear.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z46eE4HPFm
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:ermm: Shocking. 90% of teens would convert to Islam if Islamic State conquered Italy.
(Rome) 90 percent would convert to Islam without hesitation to save their own lives, the Islamic State (IS) should conquer the country. This “shock result” (Il Giornale) came from a survey of 13-year-olds at an Italian secondary school. Only two of 25 students opposed conversion. Both students are from devout Catholic families.

No matter in which Italian city or what school: The issue of Islam and violence is discussed everywhere. The phenomenon concerns the whole of Europe. The Catholic Internet newspaper Il Sussidiario reported from…an Italian middle school. The 25 students are all 13 years of age. They also discussed Islam. From the teacher they wanted to receive information about the Islamic State (IS). Who are they? What is their program? How are they operating?

“What do you would if the IS came to your home?”

The teacher gave them information. She told her students also that many fighters of the IS come from Europe. Young Muslims who are the second or third generation immigrants. They are well integrated, come from families with a certain level of prosperity, and several possess a university degree or have begun studies. One of the most infamous executioners of IS was previously a well-known DJ in Europe.

The teacher told her students that the IS destroyed all Christian symbols and threatened everyone who was not willing to convert to Islam with death. She also did not conceal that many Christians were killed, exiled or enslaved because of their faith by IS.

At the end she asked the students a question:

“What do you would if the IS came to your home?”

“The answer was almost unanimous and is shocking,” said the daily newspaper Il Giornale. Without hesitation, 23 students declared that they would convert to Islam. “23 students were of this opinion, only two resisted. They came from practicing Catholic families.”…

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I am not surprised. First of all, that is how Islam has always got their converts in the past. Conquer a place, making anyone's life uncomfortable, expensive and humiliating if they are not a Muslim, and kill anyone who resists in any way. In Turkey, the originally Christian population quickly. Some where killed, others left, others still converted.

So why should that be different today? If anything the process would be faster as fewer people have firm religious connections in Europe, so there would be less hesitation, specially as people have been taught that all religions are the same.
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How sweet.

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ITALY: Four Muslim suspects arrested in ISIS (Islamic State) plot to attack Israeli embassy in Rome and the Vatican

Italian police arrested four Muslims involved in a foreign terrorist investigation, including a Moroccan-born man living in Italy who had received Islamic State orders to carry out an attack on the Israeli embassy in Rome, the prosecutors said. Two others suspects are still at large.

Milan prosecutor Maurizio Romanelli told reporters that investigators intercepted communications from within Islamic State territory ordering attacks in Italy, “with particular attention to the city of Rome” and focusing on the Holy Year pilgrimage now underway.

Reuters said the Italian authorities tapped and recorded phone conversations between three of the suspects, and that possible attacks on the Vatican and the Israeli embassy in Rome were discussed.

“I swear I will be the first to attack them in this Italy of crusaders, I swear I’ll attack it, in the Vatican God willing,” one of the men now in custody was quoted saying in a transcript.
No need for extra security in Rome. The pope should trust Muslims and Allah more.

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Christians Told To ‘Pray In Silence… Don’t Disturb The Migrants’

Parishioners visiting a church in Italy were told they must “pray in silence” so as not to disturb African migrants being housed there.
Some of the faithful hoping to practice their Christianity at the church of St. Anthony in Ventimiglia were surprised when they were told by Caritas volunteers they couldn’t recite the rosary and would instead have to pray in silence out of respect to migrants who are living there.

Caritas is ostensibly a Catholic charity, although much of its resources are spent on facilitating mass migration to Europe; the organisation even boasts that it contributes to and seeks to influence European Union (EU) “asylum” policies. Caritas reports that they have been distributing 600 meals a day to migrants in Ventimiglia.

After one of the female parishioners requested that the migrants be taken to another church so that she could recite the rosary, the parish priest, Don Rito, appeared and accompanied her and the other visitors to another church.

The Northern Italian town of 55,000 people has recently been overwhelmed with hundreds of migrants. More than 50 Africans have been crossing into Ventimiglia every day, hoping that from there they will be able to enter France. The town’s mayor, Enrico Ioculano, has said that this is “an untenable situation”.

Mr. Ioculano has admitted that Ventimiglia is struggling to meet the costs of the migrant influx. It was discovered that the national government will pay for less than half the town’s €220,000 bill — for unaccompanied migrants alone — accrued in the first five months of this year. Dozens of migrants in the area have also had to be vaccinated in recent days due to an outbreak of chickenpox amongst the migrant guests of St Anthony’s Church.

Breitbart London has previously reported on churches across Europe where welcoming migrants has taken precedence over Christian worship. In Germany, an evangelical church stripped out pews, the altar, and pulpit as well as all symbols of Christianity when offering it as a new home for migrants — so as to make them feel “more welcome in their new home”.
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Ariel wrote:This is Napoli. Enough is enough. How long are we going to take this sh*t.

The famous market square, a place of worship of the Virgin Mary Madonna del Carmine, is now covered every Friday with Muslim prayer mats. Hundreds of barefoot men recite the sermon of Imam Yassin, or Agostino Gentile, who is convinced that ''there were Communism and Che Guevara before, now there is Islam''

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If Italians are any smart, they would have 100 Italian man stand silent in front of these Muslims such that, when they bow down, they will be bowing to their Italian masters.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... risis.html
An important figure in the Catholic church has warned that everyone in Italy will 'soon be Muslim' due to the country's 'stupidity'.

Italian Archbishop, Monsignor Carlo Liberati, said that the growing number of Muslim migrants in Europe and increasing secularism will lead to Islam becoming the continent's foremost religion.
Leftist lib stupidity to be precise.
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Italy is getting mightly suspicious about those "refugees" - and no wonder. Some snippets from the Spectator which, sadly, is retreating futher behind its paywall.
Are we helping desperate migrants — or just people smugglers?
Shocking claims in Italy about collusion between people smugglers and NGOs

In fact, every one of those 181,436 was picked up by EU and non-government aid-agency vessels off the Libyan coast just outside the 12-mile territorial limit, then ferried across to Europe.

Nearly all the migrants arriving in Italy are young men from West Africa, not refugees. They have the cash for a ticket on a smuggler boat (€1,500, give or take) so are not destitute. That’s getting on for £300 million in ticket sales last year. West African migrants are big business.

If the fleets did not patrol, there would be far fewer deaths, because far fewer migrants would dare to put to sea. There would be far fewer people smugglers. Yet thanks to this enormous rescue fleet, the Italian interior ministry expects 250,000 more migrant boat people.

The madness does not end here. There’s reason to suspect that the people smugglers are actually in direct contact with aid agencies, which is why they are so often first on the scene to rescue migrant boats — and this is a criminal offence.

‘We must solve the problem of where the money comes from to sustain such high costs — who are the sources of this finance? We shall be doing checks on the NGOs who bring migrants into our jurisdiction.'
One can imagine the answer to that last question!
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/04/are ... smugglers/
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Breitbart has an interesting story about the NGOs and people smugglers. It claims that the NGOs are deliberately leaving the empty boats, from which they "rescue" the trafficked migrants, for the smugglers to collect and re-use. I won't copy much of the story, just this extremely telling bit, from Board member of Sea Watch Frank Dörner :
When asked what he thought of Europeans who want to see the external borders of the political bloc enforced, he replied: “I accept that some say it is their right to determine who lives in their country. But I find this attitude wrong.”
'Nuff said, I think.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04 ... nue-clash/
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Italian psychiatrist: Italy could soon look like Nigeria and could completely lose control

In a TV interview Italian psychiatrist Alessandro Meluzzi said about Italy that “when a society loses its identity, we will soon find ourselves living in a city like Lagos, Nigeria”.

The psychiatrist was referring to the influx of hundreds of thousands of migrants into Italy. He said his country is heading towards a “completely out of control society” and that he “dares not to think about the effects of half a million migrants on Italy’s cities”. According to him “they come from a place with a high crime rate where human life is of little value”.

“If we don’t accept this challenge and realise that this thing needs to be blocked our kids will ask us to account for it” Meluzzi added. The psychiatrist received a big applause for his statements during the interview.
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Italy's Salvini shuts ports to rescue boat carrying hundreds of refugees and migrants

Italy is refusing to let a humanitarian ship carrying more than 600 refugees and migrants to dock at its ports, but has instead asked Malta take them in.

Malta brushed off the request, saying it had nothing to do with the rescue operation, opening the prospect of a diplomatic rift between the two European Union allies.

The move by Italy’s new interior minister, Matteo Salvini, who is also head of the anti-immigrant League, represents an opening gambit to make good on his electoral promises to halt the flow of migrants into the country.

“Malta takes in nobody. France pushes people back at the border, Spain defends its frontier with weapons,” Mr Salvini wrote on Facebook. “From today, Italy will also start to say no to human trafficking, no to the business of illegal immigration.”

More than 600,000 migrants have reached Italy by boat from Africa in the past five years. Numbers have dropped dramatically in recent months, but rescues have increased in recent days, presenting Mr Salvini with his first test as minister.

“My aim is to guarantee a peaceful life for these youths in Africa and for our children in Italy,” Mr Salvini said, using the Twitter hashtag “We are shutting the ports”.

However, Mr Salvini does not have authority over the ports and it was not immediately clear if his line would hold. The mayor of Naples, who has repeatedly clashed with the League leader, said he would welcome in the humanitarian boat.

“Naples is ready, without funds, to save lives,” he said.

The charity said the group of mainly sub-Saharan Africans were picked up in six different rescue operations off the coast of Libya and included hundreds who were plucked from the sea by Italian naval units and then transferred to the Aquarius.

“The boat is now heading north towards a secure port,” SOS Mediterranee tweeted on Sunday without specifying its destination, although virtually every such migrant boat over the past five years has ended up in Italy.

Its route north will take it past Malta, and the Italian government said its port authorities had written to the small island state asking it to let the Aquarius dock there.

“The island cannot continue looking the other way when it comes to respecting international conventions,” said the statement, which was signed by Mr Salvini and Transport Minister Danilo Toninelli, who is nominally in charge of the ports.

Malta said the rescue operations took place in international waters off Libya and were coordinated by Italy.

“Malta is neither the competent nor the coordinating authority in this case. Malta will observe prevailing laws,” its government said in a brief statement.

SOS Mediterranee spokesperson Mathilde Auvillain said the Aquarius had received orders to head north after a series of sea rescues and was now was awaiting “definitive instructions”.

“Our objective is the disembarkation in a port of safety of the 629 people now on board the Aquarius – some we rescued yesterday night in difficult conditions,” she said.

Charity boats operating off the Libyan coast have played an increasingly important role in rescuing migrants who often put to sea in flimsy inflatable boats not designed for the open sea.

The United Nations estimates that at least 500 people have died in 2018 trying to cross the central Mediterranean, following some 2,853 fatalities last year.

Mr Salvini has accused the charities of acting as a “taxi service” for the migrants. On Friday, he called on Nato to help Italy defend its southern shores.
But not to worry...Spain is taken the migrants in.
Spain's prime minister has said the country will take in a rescue ship stranded in the Mediterranean, to help avoid a humanitarian disaster.

Pedro Sánchez said he would give "safe harbour" to the Aquarius and the 629 people on board, after Italy and Malta both refused to let the ship dock.
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LOL... and then put them on a train to the Netherlands and Germany....
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manfred wrote:LOL... and then put them on a train to the Netherlands and Germany....
I bet most of those guys want to go to England. So please British people, open your doors and hearts, and let the sweet dears in. They have suffered enough.
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Italians First! Italy’s new Interior Minister blocks two more migrant ships

Matteo Salvini, Italy’s Interior Minister refused two more migrant boats to dock in Italian ports. The NGO boats, sailing under the Dutch flag did not receive permission to enter Italy, The Local reports.

Salvini said on his Facebook page:
  • “Two more ships with the flag of the Netherlands, Lifeline and Seefuchs, have arrived off the coast of Libya, waiting for their load of human beings abandoned by the smugglers. These gentlemen know that Italy no longer wants to be complicit in the business of illegal immigration, and therefore will have to look for other ports [not Italian]where to go.”
Last week Italy already barred the Aquarius, a ship that carried 620 migrants. Later Spain offered to accept the ship in its port and allowing the migrants into the country. It is expected to arrive in Valencia on Sunday.

During his election campaign, Salvini vowed to put Italians first and protect the country against illegal immigration. He promised to deport 500,000 migrants within 5 years.

About the Islamisation of Italy the leader of the Lega party said:
  • “We are under attack. Our culture, society, traditions and way of life are at risk. The colour of one’s skin has nothing to do with it, but the risk is very real. Centuries of history risk disappearing if Islamisation, which up until now has been underestimated, gains the upper hand.”
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This is the way to do it...
Frontex via twitter
Wait, wait. Why is that fishing trawler towing an empty wooden boat at high seas???

Frontex experts who spotted it from the air had a good idea. And sure enough, after a few hours a steady stream of people emerged from below the deck of the fishing trawler and got onto the smaller boat.

When 80 people squeezed onto it, the fishing trawler quickly pulled away. The migrant ship then started to slowly head toward the Italian island of Lampedusa.

This was clearly the case of a “mother boat” used by criminals to carry a large group of migrants across the sea towards their destination before unloading them onto a smaller boat.

A Frontex plane and drone kept observing the fishing trawler and the boat with migrants over several hours, alerting Italian and Maltese authorities, as well as @EUNAVFORMED_OHQ .

The Italian National Coordination Centre initiated a complex operation and dispatched @GDF and @guardiacostiera . They caught up with the bigger vessel and arrested the suspected people smugglers. The migrant boat was intercepted in the Italian waters

Notice how few of the people that squeezed into the crowded wooden boat had life vests as they were left all alone in the middle of the sea.
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Dozens of migrants still stuck on vessel in Italy port

An Italian coastguard vessel stranded in the Mediterranean with more than 130 migrants aboard has been allowed to dock in the eastern Sicilian port of Augusta but Rome on Sunday refused to let them disembark until a deal is struck with the EU.

"The Gregoretti berthed in the port of Augusta overnight, as is normal procedure for a military vessel. Now the EU has to act because the migration question concerns the whole continent," Transport Minister Danilo Toninelli said in a statement.

Some 140 migrants, who had set off from Libya in two rickety boats, were picked up by Italian patrols on Thursday night and transferred to the Gregoretti ship.

The operation took place on the same day that at least 115 other migrants were believed to have drowned in a shipwreck off Libya -- the Mediterranean's deadliest tragedy this year, according to the International Organization for Migration (IOM).

Several migrants aboard the Gregoretti have already been evacuated for medical attention, including a seven-month pregnant woman, her two children and her partner.

However, Italy's far-right Interior Minister Matteo Salvini has reiterated that the remaining migrants would not be able to leave the vessel until other European countries agree to take them in.

Salvini, also deputy prime minister, has taken a hard line against migrants rescued at sea being brought to Italy, which he says bears an unfair burden in the crisis.

French President Emmanuel Macron announced last Monday that 14 EU members had approved a plan to redistribute refugees rescued in theMediterranean, and eight said they would actively take part.

The proposal drew Salvini's ire because it still involved allowing migrants to disembark on his country's territory.

He said the agreement underscored a demand that Italy "continue to be the refugee camp of Europe".

Pope Francis on Sunday called on the international community to "act swiftly" to help avoid further deaths.

"I have learned with sorrow the news of the dramatic shipwreck that happened in recent days in the Mediterranean where dozens of migrants including women and children have lost their lives," he said Sunday during his weekly Angelus address on St Peter's Square.

"I am renewing my call that the international community act swiftly and decisively to avoid that such tragedies repeat themselves and guarantee the safety and dignity of all."
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Ports are closed! Salvini tells Spanish migrant transport ship to head to Spain

The Spanish government has announced that the Spanish NGO Proactiva’s ship ‘Open Arms’ – which is currently holding 107 migrants the south Mediterranean – can make its way to Spain to offload the migrants in Algeciras.

On Sunday, Italy’s National Populist Interior Minister Matteo Salvini ordered the migrant ferry to vacate Italian waters immediately to go Spain, the Associated Press reports. Salvini believes that the ship ‘Open Arms’ is anchored off the coast of Italy’s southern island Lampedusa “just to provoke me and Italy.”

The crew onboard the migrant ferry have described conditions on the ship as “miserable” since it has been 17 days since it picked up the migrants off the Libyan coast.

On Thursday, the French weekly L’Express reported that six EU member states – France, Germany, Portugal, Romania, Spain, and Luxembourg – said that they would receive the migrants.

But Salvini wasn’t having any of it, telling the ship that if it wanted to offload migrants at a European port, it would have to do it in Spain.

The NGO Proactiva in charge of the Open Arms ship hasn’t said whether or not it will go to Spain. If they were to head to Spain it would take them several day of sailing. The NGO contends that Salvini is using the 107 for “xenophobic and racist propaganda.”

Earlier this month, Matteo Salvini signed a decree which forbids NGO migrant ferries from entering Italy’s waters without the government’s permission. The decree allows the Italian government to fine NGO ships who defy the order up to one million euros.
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