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A near-riot broke out over the showing of an "anti-Islam" film in Antwerp. No details are given but it sounds as though it might have been "Innocence of Muslims" - which I didn't realise had ever had a real public showing, trailer or otherwise.
The link is to a Reuters news video, which seems to keep changing. I saw the clip in question but couldn't play it a gain to check the details.
http://uk.reuters.com/video/2012/09/16/ ... annel=2603
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Surely it couldn't be this new biopic from Iran, only released yesterday, which has already upset some Sunnis there. The article contains this amusing bit of irony
"The actor who plays this role may later play a criminal, and viewers may associate these characters with criminality," Abdel Dayyem Nosair, an adviser to the head of Al-Azhar told AFP News.
It would be strange if an actor portraying Mohammed was't type-cast as a villain!
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/iran-sunni-mus ... m-1517068?
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Fernando wrote:A near-riot broke out over the showing of an "anti-Islam" film in Antwerp. No details are given but it sounds as though it might have been "Innocence of Muslims" -
Yes, you are right. This protest was about the film "Innocence of Muslims". But that happened in 2012.

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Sorry, you're quite right. I got it from today's National Secular Society's Media Roundup. Clearly shome mishtake.
Protests over anti-Islam film erupt in Belgium

Reuters, 26 August 2015
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What a coward. :wot: Koen Geens is an example of the perfect dhimmie. Europe 'to have more Muslims than Christians': Belgian minister warns Brussels attacks hearing that the continent should not 'make an enemy of Islam'
Muslims will ‘very soon’ outnumber practising Christians in Europe, a Belgian minister claimed yesterday.
Koen Geens, the justice minister, told the European Parliament the continent ‘does not realise this, but this is the reality’.

‘That is not because there are too many Muslims, it is because Christian are generally less practising.

‘We have 600,000 to 700,000 Muslims in Belgium and the overwhelming majority of those people share our values.
‘To make an enemy of all of those people, we really will be creating problems. We need to see who the terrorists are, who supports the terrorists, what networks are there to support them.

‘That is who we need to tackle and we need to get all of the rest of the Muslims on our side not working against us.’
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Belgian police attacked with machete.
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/bel ... li=AAggv0m" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Two female police officers have been injured by a machete-wielding assailant in the Belgian city of Charleroi.

The attacker was shot and wounded, Charleroi police said on Twitter.

The assailant is said to have shouted "Allahu Akbar" ("God is great" in Arabic) during the assault outside the city's main police station.

Charleroi was used as a base by some of the jihadists involved in the attacks on Paris in November 2015 and Brussels last March.

The area around the police station has been sealed off.

One of the injured police officers is said to be seriously injured.

The attacker is reported to be in a serious condition after being shot.

Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel condemned the attack.

"My thoughts are with the victims, their loved ones, and the police. We are following the situation closely," he added.
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Belgium Police Arrest Youth Over Threats to Kill Christians

Policemen detain a man in the Molenbeek neighborhood in Brussels, Belgium

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Despite Recent Arrests Terrorist Threat in Belgium Remains High

Seventeen-year-old Sohaid and his parents were arrested by the federal police on Sunday after they had returned from holiday in Morocco, accordion to the RTL broadcaster.

Sohaid's arrest comes after a video surfaced earlier in August on the Internet which depicted him in the streets of the city of Verviers, threatening to murder Christians.

The family is said to have shown no signs of resistance when apprehended by the police.

Sohaid's dad, who is an imam, is reportedly a Dutch national has earlier faced deportation for his sermons deemed radical.
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"His sermons deemed radical"

Or preaching authentic Islam?

Because to utter that Islam is radical is not permitted.
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pr126 wrote:"His sermons deemed radical"

Or preaching authentic Islam?

Because to utter that Islam is radical is not permitted.
I take it you mean on grounds of political correctness. On grounds of Islam, to BE radical (in the sense of change, rather than fundamental) is forbidden.
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I take it you mean on grounds of political correctness.
Yes.
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Belgium: Muslim woman with machete wounds three, police say she was mentally ill
Police sources have revealed that the woman was Asian and had a history of mental illness.

Detectives do not believe this was a terrorist incident, according to RT.
Yet another "mentally ill" person. Quite an epidemic.

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Surely she was bullied a school too...
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Where from are they getting those machetes?
I suppose swords are in short supply.
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Pr, unlike in the UK in most EU countries you can buy machetes and even some types of guns in almost any town quite legally.
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I think it must be a meme. Does that make it unstoppable?
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From last year but I don't think it's been mentioned on these forums before:
Muslim internet star who defied "far right" rally is openly anti semitic:
http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/22/muslim-wo ... s-5898781/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Department of Unintended Irony

The Economist, bless its little cotton left socks, is exercised about the Belgians picking on Islam.
Islam and BelgiumIn Belgium, arguments about Islam grow louder

A parliamentary commission wants to remove the Great Mosque in Brussels from Saudi oversight
The article itself is of little note, apart from a brilliant demonstration of willful, blinkered, ignorance
Since the terrorist outrages of March 2016, which targeted Brussels airport and the metro system, both the government, the security services and a parliamentary commission have been delving into the country’s Islamic scene to see whether it has any characteristics that make it prone to produce fanatics.
https://www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus ... -belgium-0
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Massive clash between Kurds and Turks in Antwerp

The Brederostraat in Antwerp's Zuid district was the scene of a massive fight between Kurds and Turks on Friday afternoon. It is said that a bus carrying Kurdish activists, campaigning to get Abdullah Öcalan out of prison, was stopped by Turks, after which an intense fight broke out. 8 people got injured, with police arresting 47 rioters.

The violent disturbance started around 5.30 p.m. yesterday. The fight was intense. Police spokesman Wouter Bruyns says that "when we arrived there, we could see that a couple of hundred people had been involved in a fight. They had used batons, iron sticks, table legs and chairs to attack one another. Eight people suffered injuries; one of them was a policeman who was hit by a stone."

Police tried to separate the different parties, but when they were pelted with stones, they were forced to use pepperspray. This happened at the crossroads between Balansstraat and the Gelijkheidsstraat.

"The atmosphere remained tense during the course of the evening. Some shop windows were smashed in the area. Police remained at the scene to monitor the situation and to avoid new incidents." It was until 2 in the night that the situation returned to normal
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And on Sunday there was an other clash. So nice to live in a multicultural city. :no1:

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The Mayor of Antwerp, Flemish nationalist leader Bart De Wever, has imposed a ban on public gatherings in part of his city following renewed violence at the weekend. Rioting first erupted on Friday night. On Sunday night 40 people were detained after clashes between Turks and Kurds in the area in and around the Brederodestraat.

The incident is believed to have started at a public house where Turkish punters say that they were provoked by supporters of the Kurdish terrorist organisation PKK. The Kurdish organisation NavBel argues that Kurdish citizens and retailers have been the victim of organised violence.

Four people including one police officer were injured. A mediation team was dispatched, but met with little success. Police had to be deployed to restore public order. Police patrolled the area late into the night to prevent any further violence. The incident follows an even more serious clash on Friday night involving local residents and PKK supporters.

The Mayor of Antwerp has now imposed a ban on public gatherings for at least one week. Mr De Wever said: "I strongly condemn how a foreign conflict has been imported and the ease with which some large groups of troublemakers believe they can use violence against people and property. We will continue to deal with behaviour that conflicts with the freedom of expression that we so cherish in the city."
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And if the fights between the Turks and Kurds were not enough to handle for the poor Belgium police, this weekend there was also a massive fight between Roma and local residents ( read immigrants ) in Anderlecht. Between 60 and 100 people were involved in various scuffles. The rioters used everything they could find, like traffic signs. When police arrived, they fled the scene, but four people could be apprehended. The Roma had taken up temporary residence in the area in tents. The incidents started after a woman "of foreign descent" sustained an ear injury in a violent scuffle.
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