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Erdoğan states that Europe must support Turkey in Syria if it wants to resolve the migration crisis

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan stated that European countries must support Turkey’s “solutions” in Syria if they want to resolve the migration crisis.

“If European countries want to resolve the issue, they must support Turkey’s efforts for political and humanitarian solutions in Syria,” Erdogan said in a televised speech.

“All European countries closing their borders to refugees today, trying to push them back by hitting them and sinking their boats, in fact even shooting at them, are trampling over the universal declaration of human rights,” he added.

Erdoğan also criticised Greece’s decision to suspend asylum applications, urging the country to comply with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of the United Nations.

This comes after Turkey’s ambassador to London, Ümit Yalçın accused the European Union of “betrayal, hypocrisy and selfishness” for failing to uphold an agreement to stem the flow of Syrian refugees and migrants into Europe.

Between Saturday morning and Monday night, some 26,532 migrants were denied entry to Greece via the Evros Greek-Turkish border. During the same period, police reported to have arrested 218 individuals for illegal entry.

The EU has vowed to resist Turkey’s “blackmail” over the issue, and promised €700m to Greece to deal with the crisis, as well as dispatching a rapid intervention team.
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Brawl erupts in Turkish parliament over Syria military action

Fighting broke out in Turkey's parliament after an MP criticised President Erdogan over the country's military intervention in Syria.

Engin Ozkoc, an opposition lawmaker, accused the president of disrespecting soldiers.
He also said it was irresponsible to send troops into war without air support.

President Erdogan has been equally scathing of the opposition, accusing them of "treachery".
Turkey is providing military support to rebels in Syria.

But more than 50 Turkish troops have been killed in the last month, fueling political tensions.
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Longread. An analyse of Daniel Pipes. Turky is changing into a sort of Iran.

Here in Holland people don't watch Dutch TV, but they all look to Turkish news, and they are being influenced by the Turkish media. Scary.
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Erdoğan's Turkey Is Not Coming Back

From 2002, when Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and the AK Party reached power, until about 2016, a debate raged among Turkey-watchers in the United States: Is Ankara still an ally?

Actually, due to nostalgia, that debate dragged on long after it was obvious that Turkey no longer was an ally. That issue, happily, is now closed; NATO membership notwithstanding, nobody seriously makes this claim anymore.

But a new debate has opened up: Is Turkey's hostility a temporary aberration or the long term new normal? Is it more like Necmettin Erbakan's coming to power in 1996-97 and Mohammed Mursi's in Egypt in 2012-13, or more like the Iranian Revolution, now in its fifth decade?

Opinion in Washington is divided. Broadly speaking, the president, Defense, State, and business interests argue for it being an aberration; they expect this unfortunate interlude to end with a cheery return to the good old days. Congress and most analysts argue for long-term change; that's my argument here.

To understand the American debate, one needs to go back to those good old days. The period from Turkey's accession to NATO in 1952 to the key election of 2002 lasted a round 50 years; U.S.-Turkish relations, though not without hitches (most notably mutual fury over Cyprus in 1964), were simple and good: Washington led, Ankara followed.

I had the opportunity to spend a week as a guest at the Foreign Ministry in Ankara in October 1992; my most distinct memory is the paucity of decision-making. Officials hung out by the fax machine for the Turkish embassy in Washington to send policy guidance. I exaggerate, but not by much. This arrangement worked well for both sides for a half-century; Turkey enjoyed protection from the Soviet Union, the United States could count on a reliable ally.

Two developments eroded this stability in the 1990s: the Soviet collapse and mainstream Turkish political parties declining into corruption and incompetence. Islamists, a minor force since the days of Atatürk, took advantage of these changes, coming briefly to power in 1996-97. The military shoved them aside without addressing underlying problems.

Then followed the wild 2002 election. The AK Party came out of nowhere to benefit from a peculiarity in the Turkish constitution establishing a 10 percent threshold of the total vote for a party to enter parliament. Only two parties exceeded the 10 percent minimum that year; the others, literally, won 9, 8, 7, 6, and 5 percent. This oddity permitted the AKP, with one-third of the vote, to control two-thirds of parliament. The resulting shock devastated the opposition, which remained demoralized until finally rallying to a victory in Istanbul's mayor's race in 2019.

As for relations with the United States, the turning point came soon after the AKP's accession. On Mar. 1, 2003, the Turkish parliament refused to allow American troops to use Turkish territory as a base for war on Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq. However stunning a change after 50 years' stalwart alliance, American officialdom shrugged off this rejection. President George W. Bush continued his close relations with Erdoğan, whom he personally helped get over a judicial ban and become prime minister. Barack Obama called Erdoğan one of his five favorite foreign leaders. Donald Trump flattered and appeased him.

The consistent friendliness of these three dissimilar presidents demonstrates the reluctance in the White House to acknowledge the fundamental changes in Turkey. Likewise, the DoD tried to keep the good old days going, the State Department conciliated, Boeing and other corporations wanted to keep selling.

In this spirit, the Executive Branch downplays that Turkey is ruled by an Islamist strongman who controls Turkey's most powerful institutions: the military, the intelligence services, the police, the judiciary, the banks, the media, the election boards, the mosques, and the educational system. More: Erdoğan has developed a private army, SADAT. He cracks down at will on whoever publicly disagrees with him; for instance, dare to sign a mild petition, you might be labeled a terrorist and end up in jail. As his popularity has waned, he has increasingly relied on electoral fraud, jailing opposition leaders and having his goons attack the offices of rival parties.

Not only are Erdoğan and the AKP entrenched in power but they have molded an entire generation and are transforming the country. It helps to see Turkey undergoing a version of Iran's Islamic revolution. We are witnessing in slow-motion a second Iran in the making, less violent and dramatic, more sophisticated and potentially more enduring. Using computer terminology, Khomeini was Islamism 1.0, Erdoğan is 2.0, maybe even 3.0.

A massive shift in Turkish attitudes towards the West in general, the United States in particular, has followed. In 2000, shortly before Erdoğan came to office, polls showed slightly over half of Turks favorable to America; this plummeted to 18 percent during his term. Anti-Americanism is now rampant in politics, the media, movies, school textbooks, mosque sermons, and beyond.

The hostility has become mutual. Anger over Turkey's purchase of the Russian S-400 missile system led Congress to exclude it from the F-35 program. After decades of avoiding a vote on an Armenian genocide resolution out of concern for Turkish sensibilities, the House in 2019 voted 405 to 11 in favor of it; the Senate passed the bill by a voice vote.

There is little reason to expect that Americans will find a friendlier reception in Ankara after Erdoğan goes. Yes, he is sixty-six years old and reputedly suffers from various illnesses. But candidates bruited as his successor (such as Süleyman Soylu) adhere closely to his outlook. Further, the other major political strands in Turkey, the nationalists and leftists, are even more hostile than Erdoğan's party. With the exception of the Kurdish HDP, all the other parties sitting in Turkey's parliament; (MHP, CHP Iyi) are more anti-American than the AKP. They actually accuse Erdoğan of being pro-American.

In conclusion, American policies must not be based on the hope that Turkey will come back. It is gone, as Iran is gone. Not forever, but for the duration. The U.S. government needs to prepare long term for a nasty, perhaps a rogue Ankara. Here are eight policy recommendations, starting with the least consequential, to deal with the new Turkey:

1. Complain, condemn, and to some extent take action over a range of foreign issues such as the Turks supporting ISIS, invading Syria, depriving of Syria and Iraq of riverine water, mounting an expedition to Libya, and drilling in the Cypriot exclusive economic zone.

2. Publicly reject the extradition request for Fethullah Gülen, Erdoğan's former ally and now his mortal political enemy who lives in Pennsylvania.

3. Invite Kurds, Gülenists, opposition parliamentary figures, and others, to high-level meetings in Washington, to signal support for them.

4. Disengage economically. For example, prohibit the purchase of Turkish sovereign debt, exclude Turkish energy companies, and issue anti-dumping duties on steel.

5. Add Turkey to the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) as a response to Turkey's purchase of the Russian S-400 missile system.

6. Remove nuclear weapons from Incirlik, a NATO air base in Turkey. Access to the base is sometimes restricted. The weapons cannot be loaded on the planes stationed there. The Turks could seize the weapons.

7. Remove U.S. troops from Turkey.

8. Expel Turkey from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Although NATO bylaws do not offer a means to oust members, the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties allows a unanimous majority to throw out a rogue state. It's just conceivable that this can be done. So, let's do it.
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Erdogan sent agent to Norway to keep Turkish migrants religious

Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan sent an agent to the Turkish embassy in Norway late last month to ensure that Turks living in Norway remain loyal to Turkey, Erdogan, and Islam, according to reports.

The agent, Mehmet Fatih Ozer, was apparently presented as an advisor on religious services, and is known to work the Directorate of Religious Affairs, an organization which has tentacles that stretch across Western Europe, news portal Rights Norway reports.

The Directorate of Religious Affairs exerts its influence in Turkish mosques in Oslo, Bergen, Drammen, Trondheim, Moss, and Stavanger. Many consider the organization to be one of most important tools that Erdogan has to spread Islam across Europe.

On the Facebook page for Turkey’s embassy in Norway, Mehmet Ozer published a video which shows sitting with the Quran. The video presents a campaign that will run during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. Videos with Islamic messages that are targeted at Turkish youths in Norway will be published each day during the month long campaign.

Norwegian Islam-critical journalist Hege Storhaug has argued that Erdogan is creating a fifth column in Norway – something that Norwegian politicians and journalists in mainstream press haven’t seemed to notice.

“The politicians says they believe in integration, but what do they think Turkish kids and youths learn from Erdogan Quran schools in his mosques in Norway? We have never seen a single article about Erdogan’s mosques in the big media channels NRK, NRK, TV2, Aftenposten, VG or Dagbladet,” Hege says.

Erdogan openly says that Turks in Europe shouldn’t integrate.

Last year, Swedish media criticized the Malmö city council after a festival arranged by a Turkish group which collaborates closely with Erdogan’s European propaganda institution – Union of International Democrats – was allowed to be held.
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Nearly 2,000 Syrian Mercenaries Have Fled Libya for Europe.

According to the Libyan National Army, almost 2,000 Syrian fighters have fled Libya for Europe, after Turkey failed to uphold the promises that it made concerning citizenship writes Al-Masdar.

Nearly 2,000 Turkish-backed Syrian militants that were transported to Libya over the last five months have fled the north African nation for Europe, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) reported on Wednesday.

“Some of the 2,000 Syrian fighters who were transported to Libya to fight with the UN-supported Government of National Accord (GNA) against its competitor Khalifa Haftar have in fact fled to Europe, according to the Libyan National Army (LNA),” the monitor said.

SOHR first reported Syrian mercenaries fleeing Libya for Italy in February, and since then, several reports have surfaced that make similar claims.

Meanwhile, journalist Lindsey Snell of the Investigative Journal interviewed a fighter from Ahrar al-Sharqiyah that recently returned to Syria after fighting in Libya for a few months.

In the interview, the fighter, who was identified as Zein Ahmed, said that Turkey promised the militants citizenship if they fought in Libya for six months; however, this turned out to be false.

“They told us first that if we stayed and fought for six months, that we would get Turkish citizenship,” he said. “That was lies. They told us if we died fighting in Libya, our families would get Turkish citizenship. Now that so many Syrians have died in Libya, we know this is also a lie.”

Ahmed referenced a case in which an Ahrar al-Sharqiyah member was killed in February; his family received 8,000 dollars in compensation, but the dead fighter’s family was not given citizenship.

Turkey sent the first batch of Syrian mercenaries to Libya in December and since then, thousands of others have been transported to the north African nation to help the Tripoli-based Government of National Accord (GNA) forces
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Germany for sure will embrace those jihadi's with open arms. Sie schaffen das .
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Turkish President Seals his country's fate: Says "Jerusalem is our city"

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan on Thursday implied that Jerusalem belongs to Turkey, referring to the Ottoman Empire’s control over the city for much of the modern era.

“In this city that we had to leave in tears during the First World War, it is still possible to come across traces of the Ottoman resistance. So Jerusalem is our city, a city from us,” he told Turkish lawmakers during a major policy speech in Ankara. “Our first qibla [direction of prayer in Islam] al-Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem are the symbolic mosques of our faith. In addition, this city is home to the holy places of Christianity and Judaism.”

The Ottoman Empire ruled over Jerusalem from 1516 to 1917. Modern Turkey, its successor state, has long stressed its enduring connection to the holy city, regularly condemning Israel’s alleged efforts to “judaize” it and the US administration’s December 2017 recognition of it as Israel’s capital.

Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel since the country’s founding, and the Jewish people have thousands of years of history in the city, backed up by extensive archaeological finds.

During a lengthy speech at the opening of the Turkish parliament’s new legislative session, Erdoğan spent several minutes lamenting the fate of Jerusalem and the Palestinians’ plight.
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President @RTErdogan: “We consider it an honour on behalf of our country and nation to express the rights of the oppressed Palestinian people on every platform, with whom we have lived for centuries.”

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Erdogan has thus sealed the fate of his country. Turkey will, in the end, be completely smashed. Obliterated.

Investors presently involved with Turkey would do well to consider the true implications of what this Turkish President has now publicly said. A lot of people are telling us they expect money to flow out of Turkey so fast, some of it will leave skid marks!

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"The Ottoman Resistance"

That"s right, for centuries the Ottomans 'resisted' their neighbors by invading their territories, massacring them, raping their women etc.
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Using the same logic Istanbul belongs to the Greeks as Byzantium-Constantinople was founded by Greek colonists from Megara around 657 BC. Of course the Aya Sophia should then be dedicated to the God of Delphi so Erdogan can compete with another oracle.
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Erdogan says Macron needs ‘mental health treatment’ and doesn’t understand freedom of religion

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has accused his French counterpart Emmanuel Macron of “mistreating” millions of Muslims after officials announced a crackdown on radical mosques and Islamic extremism across France.

“What is Macron's problem with Islam and Muslims? He needs mental health treatment,” Erdogan said at a meeting of the ruling Justice and Development Party on Saturday, Turkish media reported.

What else can be said to a head of state that does not understand the freedom of belief and treats the millions of members of a religious minority in his country this way? First of all, he needs [a] mental check.

Paris is apparently unimpressed by Erdogan’s take on Macron, later denouncing his remarks as “unacceptable.”

Erdogan has been highly critical of the rhetoric Macron has employed to combat Islamic extremism in France. In early October, the French leader stated that Islam was “in crisis” worldwide due to the rise of fundamentalism. In the same speech, Macron rolled out a set of steps aimed at strengthening the country's secular values and curbing what he dubbed “Islamist separatism.” The Turkish president denounced Macron's stance as a “clear provocation,” accusing him of targeting Islam in order to “cover up” his failures in domestic policy.

The French government renewed its pledge to crack down on radical Islam after the nation was left shocked by the murder of Samuel Paty. A middle school teacher, Paty was beheaded in a Parisian suburb on October 16 by a young Chechen refugee after he showed a cartoon of Prophet Mohammed to his students as part of a class on freedom of expression. In response to the killing, officials promised to strengthen the oversight of the funding of mosques and to shut down mosques and Muslim NGOs accused of spreading hate online, among other measures.
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The Turks don't like the Dutch and French anymore. :shock: How sad.

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Two articles from the Daily Sabah.
Racist Wilders continues to exploit anti-Turkey rhetoric

Far-right Dutch politician Geert Wilders, who recently insulted President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, continued to target Ankara and exploit anti-Turkey rhetoric as part of his domestic policy. He also criticized Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte for failing to support his racist and fascist ideology.

In a tweet posted Tuesday, Wilders falsely claimed that the Daily Sabah’s main headline featured “pure hatred of Macron and Wilders.” Contrary to his assertion, the story mentioned in the tweet featured a series of statements made by Turkish officials condemning the offensive cartoon that he shared.

He also released another tweet, saying "Bye bye Erdoğan," as he urged NATO to kick Turkey out of the bloc.

Rather than mentioning domestic policy problems, Wilders' posts mainly focus on anti-Turkey and anti-Muslim rhetoric, exploiting both for the sake of political gain.

Meanwhile, he also criticized Rutte for not defending him. “Rutte stands up for Macron but is silent about me. He is not the prime minister of all Dutch people,” Wilders said, adding that the Dutch PM only chooses to support his “EU friends.”

Wilders, the leader of the Dutch anti-Islam Party for Freedom (PVV), lost four seats in the European Parliament election in May 2019, in which the Social Democrat Party was the surprise winner.

Throughout his political career, Wilders has proven himself to be a racist through his numerous abhorrent anti-Islam comments.

In 2019, he canceled a Prophet Muhammad cartoon contest that sparked protests in Pakistan. The outspoken anti-Islam party leader said he decided to "let the contest go" following death threats and concerns other people could be put at risk.

Wilders added that his fight against Islam would continue and no threat could stop him.

In the event, scheduled for November, Wilders planned to display caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad at the tightly guarded offices of the PVV in the Dutch parliament building. He said he received "hundreds" of entries.

The Dutch politician was also fined 5,000 euros ($5,400) in 2016 for his hate speech and discrimination.

He also faced charges of discrimination and inciting racial hatred at a rally in 2014, where he led supporters in chanting that they wanted fewer Moroccans in the Netherlands. In a televised incident on March 19, 2014, Wilders asked supporters whether they wanted more or fewer Moroccans, to which the crowd replied, "Fewer! Fewer! Fewer!" A smiling Wilders responded, "We'll take care of that."
Erdoğan files lawsuit against far-right Dutch politician Wilders over insult

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan filed a criminal complaint against far-right Dutch politician Geert Wilders over recent insults targeting him, reports said Tuesday.

The president’s lawyer Hüseyin Aydın submitted the complaint to the Ankara Public Prosecutor’s Office, saying that Wilders has committed an offense of libel against Erdoğan, according to Anadolu Agency (AA).

Citing the 104th Article of the Constitution, the complaint noted that Erdoğan represents the Turkish people and the country, therefore any offenses against him are considered offenses against his office and not just personally.

The complaint also highlighted that the issue cannot be evaluated on the basis of freedom of expression, based on court precedents and the European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) precedents.

Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights is used by the ECtHR when making decisions on similar subjects. It states that the freedom of expression does not provide an unlimited right of manifesting oneself but instead can be restricted with certain purposes that are also mentioned within the article itself: "The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary."

The racist Dutch politician recently shared an offensive cartoon depicting an image of Erdoğan wearing a bomb-shaped hat bearing the logo of the ruling Justice and Development Party (AK Party) on his head, along with the headline "terrorist."
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