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Persecuted for praying

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:54 pm
by Donnerschlag
Persecuted for praying: Nurse who faces the sack after offering to pray for sick patient

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1133423/Persecuted-praying-Nurse-faces-sack-offering-pray-sick-patient.html#comments

A nurse could be sacked and even struck off for offering to say a prayer for an elderly patient.


Caroline Petrie, a community nurse and devout Christian, has already been suspended for an alleged breach of her code of conduct on equality and diversity.

She now faces disciplinary action, even though the patient involved did not make a formal complaint.

The case has outraged the Christian community, which warns its members are becoming 'the most discriminated against people in society'.

They cited previous instances including that of Heathrow check-in worker Nadia Eweida, who in 2006 was banned from wearing a cross around her neck at work.

Last night Mrs Petrie, 45, insisted she was not trying to force her beliefs on others, but was simply offering a little spiritual help.

She said: 'I have trouble understanding how offering to pray for someone could be upsetting. I feel it's a nice thing to ask and a way to give hope that circumstances can change.'

She made the prayer offer to May Phippen, 79, in December, at the end of a home visit.

Mrs Phippen, a widow who lives with relatives, mentioned the offer in passing to another nurse the next day.

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Suspended: Caroline Petrie offered to pray to help a patient recover

The case has outraged the Christian community, which warns its members are becoming 'the most discriminated against people in society'.

They cited previous instances including that of Heathrow check-in worker Nadia Eweida, who in 2006 was banned from wearing a cross around her neck at work.

Last night Mrs Petrie, 45, insisted she was not trying to force her beliefs on others, but was simply offering a little spiritual help.

She said: 'I have trouble understanding how offering to pray for someone could be upsetting. I feel it's a nice thing to ask and a way to give hope that circumstances can change.'

She made the prayer offer to May Phippen, 79, in December, at the end of a home visit.

Mrs Phippen, a widow who lives with relatives, mentioned the offer in passing to another nurse the next day.

he great-grandmother told the Mail last night: 'It didn't worry me, it just struck me as a strange thing for a nurse to do. She finished dressing my legs and before she left the last thing she asked was would you like me to say a prayer for you? I said "no thank you" and then she went.

'It was the first time I'd seen her. She was a nice lady, did the job properly and was quietly spoken. Personally I wouldn't want to see her sacked for something like that.

'I have Christian beliefs myself and maybe she meant well. But it could perhaps be upsetting for some other people if they have different beliefs or thought that she meant they looked in such a bad way that they needed praying for.'

Mrs Petrie claims she was confronted the following day, December 16, by a nursing sister who told her the patient had been 'taken aback' by the offer.

The next day the mother of two, of Weston-Super-Mare, north Somerset, received a message on her home phone from her co-ordinator telling her that disciplinary action would be taken. She was then suspended.

Yesterday Mrs Petrie said that she tried to ask every patient if they would like her to pray for them, except if it seemed they may be of a different faith.

'Many of them want me to pray for them. I can't believe that I've been suspended over this,' she said.

Her husband Stewart Petrie, 48, a telecom engineer said: 'It seems ridiculous to me that it has come to this. I hope commonsense will prevail.'

Mrs Petrie has been a committed Christian since the age of ten, when her mother died of breast cancer. She switched from the Church of England to the Baptist faith nine years ago.

She admits she received a previous warning about promoting her faith at work. Last October she offered to give a prayer card to an elderly male patient in Clevedon, Somerset. He accepted it but his carer raised concerns with the Primary Care Trust.

Alison Withers, Mrs Petrie's boss at the time, wrote to her at the end of November saying: 'As a nurse you are required to uphold the reputation of your profession.

'Your NMC (Nursing Midwifery Council) code states that "you must demonstrate a personal and professional commitment to equality and diversity" and "you must not use your professional status to promote causes that are not related to health".'

As a result Mrs Petrie, who qualified as a nurse in 1985 and has worked part-time for the North Somerset Authority since February 2008, was ordered to attend an equality course. Such courses can include learning to make a judgment on whether your words are likely to offend the person they are directed to.

Mrs Petrie had an internal disciplinary hearing last Wednesday. She awaits the outcome.

A North Somerset Primary Care Trust spokesman confirmed that the nurse has been suspended pending an investigation.

How pathetic and I thought it couldn't get any worse here in the UK. :x :x :x

Re: Persecuted for praying

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:11 pm
by ishraqiyun
To fire a worker because she asked a patient if they wanted someone to pray for them to get better seems a little petty to say the least. Why would they ruin someone's livelihood just because they were trying to be nice ?

Re: Persecuted for praying

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:21 pm
by ttiot
Donnerschlag wrote:
Last night Mrs Petrie, 45, insisted she was not trying to force her beliefs on others, but was simply offering a little spiritual help.

Yesterday Mrs Petrie said that she tried to ask every patient if they would like her to pray for them, except if it seemed they may be of a different faith.

Mrs Petrie had an internal disciplinary hearing last Wednesday. She awaits the outcome.

A North Somerset Primary Care Trust spokesman confirmed that the nurse has been suspended pending an investigation.

How pathetic and I thought it couldn't get any worse here in the UK. :x :x :x


So this is where the money goes to waste in the NHS. Its no surprise really, attitude like this causes not only annoyance and stupidity, it can cause financial damage for petty things such as this.

Re: Persecuted for praying

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:29 pm
by Pragmatist
ishraqiyun wrote:To fire a worker because she asked a patient if they wanted someone to pray for them to get better seems a little petty to say the least. Why would they ruin someone's livelihood just because they were trying to be nice ?


That's the most intelligent thing I have seen you write on FFI perhaps you are not a lost cause. Congratulations.

Re: Persecuted for praying

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:58 pm
by ixolite
How pathetic and I thought it couldn't get any worse here in the UK.

I wonder if you would write the same if she would be a musilmah.

Btw, what is pathetic, is that a nurse tries to use her job to force her beliefs on patients. :nono:

Re: Persecuted for praying

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:38 pm
by diotima64
ixolite wrote:
How pathetic and I thought it couldn't get any worse here in the UK.

I wonder if you would write the same if she would be a musilmah.

Btw, what is pathetic, is that a nurse tries to use her job to force her beliefs on patients. :nono:


only a fundi atheist could construct this as "forcing her beliefs" on someone. She OFFERED to pray for an ailing patient, who did NOT complain - thus, there´s NO reason to assume, anyone felt harrassed or "forced" in any way. And yes, that WOULD apply, even if she WAS a muslimah. You out to out-atheist S.A. now? :roll:

But I guess, that IS the "freedom" you lot refer to, when you think about "freedom of religion". Brech.

Re: Persecuted for praying

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:57 am
by IoshkaFutz
Would you like me to pray for you?
(Yes, thank you Sister / No thank you sister)
(Is oppression)

...was ordered to attend an equality course...
(is not oppression)

I think more surveillance cameras might be required.

There are many instances when not even Islam is as stupid, dogmatic, inhuman as atheism

Re: Persecuted for praying

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:32 am
by Pragmatist
ixolite wrote:
How pathetic and I thought it couldn't get any worse here in the UK.

I wonder if you would write the same if she would be a musilmah.

Btw, what is pathetic, is that a nurse tries to use her job to force her beliefs on patients. :nono:


What a strange illogical comment and how much it says about you.Why would we complain if she was a Muslimah in fact if a Muslimah was offering to pray for a Kaffir I would regard that as a very good sign that she was a concerned human being.

Re: Persecuted for praying

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:13 pm
by Chiclets
So now we have three posters questioning the integrity of ixo's post, but not one of them even attempts to answer a very valid question raised by ixo.

Bloody hypocrites.

Re: Persecuted for praying

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:46 pm
by diotima64
Chiclets wrote:So now we have three posters questioning the integrity of ixo's post, but not one of them even attempts to answer a very valid question raised by ixo.

Bloody hypocrites.

what question would that be?

Re: Persecuted for praying

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:32 pm
by skynightblaze
@chiclets

I really dont see anything wrong with the issue eventhough i am an atheist.There is no question of forcing her belief. The intention i see is well being and not forcing her belief. The point to be noted is that the nurse never said "you have to pray " . It would only then be called force.Btw is it a crime to just say that i want to pray for you to GOD?

Re: Persecuted for praying

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:58 pm
by Chiclets
@SNB,

I guess we have different views. :tongueout: :tongueout:

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Re: Persecuted for praying

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:26 pm
by skynightblaze
@chiclets

We have different views but both of us cannot be right.Ixolite is wrong and so are you .There is a difference when you say " SHOULD I PRAY " & "YOU HAVE TO PRAY".The latter indicates force and the first is just a question. You give an option of YES/NO by asking someone a question but when you force someone you dont give him that choice . The nurse here asked a question to the patient whether she should pray or not for him.She never said you have to pray . I hope you agree with me that one who forces doesnt give you a choice.Btw i see you are after my girlfriend by deliberately supporting her. Ixo is mine and not yours . :D

Re: Persecuted for praying

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:37 pm
by Chiclets
I am just showing you the hypocrisy of these theists who take pleaseure in criticising other faiths, and the moment someone points at their faith, they cry foul.

PS - I am not trying anything with ixo, you just stay away from dio :horseride:

:lotpot:

Re: Persecuted for praying

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:45 pm
by skynightblaze
Chiclets wrote:I am just showing you the hypocrisy of these theists who take pleaseure in criticising other faiths, and the moment someone points at their faith, they cry foul.

PS - I am not trying anything with ixo, you just stay away from dio :horseride:

:lotpot:


Deal done.!! Dont be like the evil jews of Banu Quraiza to break your covenant just like how they did with our holy (S.A.W). :lol:

Re: Persecuted for praying

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:03 pm
by diotima64
diotima64 wrote:
Chiclets wrote:So now we have three posters questioning the integrity of ixo's post, but not one of them even attempts to answer a very valid question raised by ixo.

Bloody hypocrites.

what question would that be?


hello, Chic - could you stop wanking yourself for just a sec, and let me know, WHAT QUESTION we "bloody hypocrites" didn´t answer? :roll:

Re: Persecuted for praying

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:05 pm
by Chiclets
ixolite wrote:
How pathetic and I thought it couldn't get any worse here in the UK.

I wonder if you would write the same if she would be a musilmah.

Btw, what is pathetic, is that a nurse tries to use her job to force her beliefs on patients. :nono:


See the bolded part dio.

Re: Persecuted for praying

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:07 pm
by diotima64
Chiclets wrote:
ixolite wrote:
How pathetic and I thought it couldn't get any worse here in the UK.

I wonder if you would write the same if she would be a musilmah.

Btw, what is pathetic, is that a nurse tries to use her job to force her beliefs on patients. :nono:


See the bolded part dio.


There´s no question in the bolded part. And - as was pointed out repeatedly - nobody forced any beliefs on anyone, either.

Re: Persecuted for praying

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:13 pm
by Chiclets
So what exactly was wrong with ixo's statement that had you guys offended ?

Re: Persecuted for praying

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:16 pm
by diotima64
Chiclets wrote:So what exactly was wrong with ixo's statement that had you guys offended ?


are you blind? there WAS no forcing of any beliefs on anyone. I suppose you losing your job over not going to church/mosque (or asking your neighbour "are you sure you should go?") seems okay to you. :roll: