dear haik
That means? Your prophet married a six year old girl and had SEX with the girl when she reached nine years of age. You can not find it in your Quran but this abominable practice of your prophet is attested by Quran. That is all what Quran chapter 65 verses 4 about. So, both Quran and your prophet’s Sunna condones paedophilia. Next?
wow , i amazed by the way you cook your own curry , you have started misinterpreting even my post , hiak
good
now read the same post
i said ,
I agree , and I am not blind or deaf , there are lots of Muslims right know who will give the example of prophet Mohammed (pbuh) to justify this ayah
This type of accusation will result in oneness of ummah and that is why I am taking all pains
A day is nearing when Muslims will be one by YOU PEOPLE AND NOT BY THEM SELF
This will teach Muslims who say we should take all sahih hadiths immaterial of quran taken into consideration
which is true , even if you ask any Muslim , but you spilted and made out your own curry with one line and the rest you cooked some other curry
lol
amazing haik
but i enjoyed it
lovely
parvez mushtaq wrote:This type of accusation will result in oneness of ummah and that is why I am taking all pains
A day is nearing when Muslims will be one by YOU PEOPLE AND NOT BY THEM SELF
This will teach Muslims who say we should take all sahih hadiths immaterial of quran taken into consideration
This oneness of your Muslim Ummah or even an Ummah is an illusion my boy. There never was a perfect Ummah in Islam. In case no Mullah has told you, Muhammad could not establish an Ummah in perfect sense. Soon after his death, the whole of central Arabia apostatized because Muslims who adhered to Muhammad found no fun in continuing in Islam after Muhammad’s death. It was not faith that made them glued to Islam but was material gains in the form of war booties and women. Once Muhammad left, they thought everything is over and soon deserted Islam. Your first Caliph Abu Bakr armed up against Muslim apostates and those wars are called Riddah (apostasy) wars which lasted over a year. The wars were bloody and the penurious Caliph of Islam had to smite Muslim necks in order to stabilize matters.
After that..? Do you know who killed Othman the third Caliph of Islam? It was Abu Bakr-the first Caliph’s son Muhammad who killed Othman.
And he was a Muslim.
Again, do you know who killed Husain-the grandson of your prophet? He met a most brutal death by Muslims’ hands who even denied him water before beheading him after tying him up in the sun for a whole day. The killers were Muslims.
Again, Aisha-the child bride of Muhammad who along with Abu Huraira narrated most of the hadiths armed up against Ali-the fourth Caliph of Islam. The war known as Camel war brought twenty thousand Muslim deaths and not a single among the dead were slain by infidels. It was Muslims on both sides fighting each other to bring this casualty. Just think of it. Twenty thousand deaths in seventh century Arabia is equal to two million deaths in this era given the fact of world population now. And who caused it? None other than one of your mothers of believers and your fourth rightly guided caliph Ali..! You can not blame a single infidel intervention in this war and the eventual horrid casualties.
So, honey… if they failed; do you think you guys can bring up an Ummah? A perfect Ummah which only existed in illusions? Can you show me a juncture in the history of Islam where you guys stopped killing each other? Can you show me at any time, there existed a perfect Islamic system? Just once?
Oneness of Muslims..? Are you kidding me?
Islam is full of blood and it can not exist without shedding blood. You know all those warriors of Badr –the first battle your Muhammad fought were killed in
Civil war? All were killed by Muslims NOT by infidels. Let me ask why? If Islam was a perfect system, why it could not even save the grandson of its prophet? Why it could not save those holy warriors who fought the first full-scale battle for its cause?
I feel like asking again and again: Did you guys ever stop killing each other? Muhammad said his contemporary are the best Muslims. And we see the real bloodbath in which Muslims killing Muslims right after Muhammad breathing his last.
Tell me dear Muslim? Muhammad said
“if a Muslim fights with a Muslim, both will go to hell” He said abusing a Muslim is fusuq and killing him is Kufr. [Sahih Bukhari. Book 3, Hadith:122]
Can you tell me where should your mother Aisha be according to Muhammad? Where can be Ali the fourth Caliph? Both are in hell or? Are they both Kafirs because they fought each other and killed TWENTY thousand Muslims. Not one two three…..
Would you please clear this up for me before being flagrant on your one and only Ummah?
parvez mushtaq wrote:This I disagree with you, once you know the essence of quran , you will start believing in GOD
Don’t worry. I know your Quran much much much better than you do. That is why I can smash Muslim arguments quite easily. And don’t worry over I am not getting into the essence of Quran. I learnt it from Salafi and Sufi perspectives. And I believed like you; there is a god. But that was in my past.
I learnt a lot and for the purpose I read a lot other than Quran too. That is why you have an apostate speaking to you. Chweech…
haik, dont give a sermon , i know all this and this is not the place to discuss this , lets not divert to other topic
if you are over worked , take a vacation
this is the sign of stress , haik
parvez mushtaq wrote:ONLY BOOK ON THE FACE OF THIS PLANET WHICH GIVES THE PROOF OF GOD IS QURAN
Huh.. what a confident statement in shouting capital letters..??!! Boy…, I told you of the etiquettes of communicating. If you use capital letters for the entire sentence, that is denotative of shouting. What makes you shouting? Are you not sure Quran is a sufficient proof for the existence of Allah? What makes you holler?
How do you know Allah is god? Well, it is said in Quran. But what makes Quran authority to speak of god? Your answer will be Quran is the word of god.
Now, if I ask evidence for it?
You will say, it is said in Quran.
Darn… Is this the proof you are talking about?
Do you know of circular reasoning?
parvez mushtaq wrote:Muslims are yet to attain this , because lots of sahih hadiths hinder quran
But , I am not totally against all hadiths , they are just historical references and to be taken into account only and only if the agree with quran
Don’t worry Parvez, this is the beginning. Doubts begin like this. First you will doubt of some hadiths, then that doubt will grow to discard all hadiths because since you have some humaneness left in you, that would be enough for you to discard all hadiths because you can not stand their stupidity. After that..? Well, you will be left with Quran only.
Well, dear Muslim, from Quran only to NO QURAN is a small step. You have started to doubt. Good I would say. Keep up and stay with us more. I can sense a potential apostate in you; that may not happen overnight, but take it from me; you can not glue with this stupid system for long. I say this because Islam does not deserve your time. You have tremendous potentials and all it takes to unleash them is to break the shackles of Islam. If you stay with us more, I am sure you will do it yourself. No other influence will be necessary in your case. I am confident.
"convince" do you know haik, i like this word "convince" but i like it when i use it not when some one is using on me
you have started giving a sermon on behalf of christians and atheists haik, great you will become zakir naik for this circle , and my advance congratulations haik
Is it your finding or are there more with you who helped you to embark on this remarkable finding?
do you know the difference between me and you , haik
this is not my bread and butter , but this seems to be yours
and you are in a very dangerous profession of playing with faith and you are making your faith is stake by doing this
what ever i type , this is from my heart , i have none to answer but the almighty
i am not bounded by any one
but , you need a ONE SPARK , AND THAT SPARK WILL IGNITE YOUR EMOTIONS , AND THAT EMOTION WILL RISE A WAVE OF TSUNAMI in your heart , that day you will start writing by your heart and YOU WILL BE BY MY SIDE AND NOT IN MY OPPOSITE
BTW , lets see what you are offering in the place of Islam
atheism ?
oh. you mean NO GOD , NO RULES , SO ENJOY !
lol, are you talking about the faith which says , TAKE YOU MOTHER WITH YOUR DAUGHTER TO BED AND ENJOY
or men as s is better than female , so take men instead of female and make a fight with swords (here i mean sword of flesh) lol on the bed
is this is you are offering me instead of Islam
or
you want me to believe that i a inferior to jews and a dog waiting under the table of jews waiting for a bread a piece of bread to fall
or
you want me to believe , that god send his son to the earth to who ate every thing on the earth and gave his holy Manure to the earth making it fertile and there by making the streams holy by washing his holy ...lol
this is what you are offering me instead of Islam
see what Islam says about me haik
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YUSUFALI: Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.
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M U S L I M , I AM SO BLESSED TO BE WITH THEM , HEAR THIS SONG BY NATIVE DEEN ,
lovely song , hope you will like it , haik
hope this will make you cool , haik
and of course , i been helped , you are correct here , i am not alone as you are
do you really want to know who is that , really , haik..do you want to know... really ...
really ..
...really ..
ALLAH
any problem , haik
i told you haik, never try me once again
i may give that spark to you cos .......
I AM A M U S L I M
so dare not give me a sermon again , dear haik
with regards
Mushtaq
rest i will post in a separate post if possible today or definitely tomorrow